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Oil and Coolant Mixing
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DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Welp, sent and tapped. I lost a couple of mm of thread at the top of and the bolt wobble is pretty concerning. I'm giving about a 2% chance it'll make it to full torque.
tacomaJoe73
Rising Sun Member
can I take the over at a 3% chance of full torque? keep giving r' hell..
fjc man
Rising Sun Member
A Timesert in the original head bolt size would probably be your best bet.
MDH33
Hard Core 4+
Good job Dave! It will hold. 💪
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Tried to run a thread repair into it. It seemed better up until the bolt just stops, hard stop, about 1/2 way down. Tried to chase it and the tap also stops at the same point.
I'm afraid I've sufficiently toed the line on ruining the block. At this point there's no way to run a bolt in far enough to even have the bolt head touch the cylinder head, never mind get it to torque. Not sure what I do next since I don't really want to make a decision that totally eliminates a fix in place.
As a bonus feels like a broke a rib when I lost my footing on the ARB leaning over the engine. That friggin' hurt, I most definitely not a kid anymore.
I'm afraid I've sufficiently toed the line on ruining the block. At this point there's no way to run a bolt in far enough to even have the bolt head touch the cylinder head, never mind get it to torque. Not sure what I do next since I don't really want to make a decision that totally eliminates a fix in place.
As a bonus feels like a broke a rib when I lost my footing on the ARB leaning over the engine. That friggin' hurt, I most definitely not a kid anymore.
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Agreed. I’ve had mixed luck with helicoils in this application. I e never had an issue with a timesert even though they are 10x the cost.
You need some new tools. Everybody likes buying new tools. 😜
Also the last couple times I’ve done this on a block, I rented a mag base drill. It’s not necessary for the repair, but it makes it way less awkward to drill and it’s generally a lot more perpendicular to the block.
Good luck!! Don’t give up!!
Good luck!! Don’t give up!!
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Probably where I'm sitting now. Since the Heli-coil kit didn't work and I don't seem to be able to peel it out to try again. I'm going to leave it alone the rest of today and maybe for a while. I mentioned to Marco that I wish I could find a mag drill but couldn't find one yesterday to rent. There's some question as to how true it is at this point. I'm kind of leaning towards stepping back, seeing if I can get the right stuff in hand. A short block is financially an absolute no-go.
Edit to add, you were posting while I was typing. Between maybe walking off center as well as maybe necking down the clear "right" answer is Time cert. It might not be necessary but all the thrashing about like a redneck isn't getting it any closer to being trailworthy and I'm getting pretty frustrated and that isn't helping.
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Oh man with O&G and all the construction going on out there, someone surely has one for rent or to lend!
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
We had some at Poma but they're all out in the field and I don't work there anymore to just use one in the shop. But yeah, they're out there but just gotta take a breather from running around like Dave The Headless Chicken.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Got the hole cleaned up the other day and I can see the insert down in there. So trying to pick at it to get it to come out. Haven't found the right tool that will grab it.
The thinking is if I can get the helicoil out then it might be possible to shorten the tap and get it to run down into the hole enough more so that the bolt will seat down enough to hold the head. The shoulder on the funky fix-a-thred tap has probably made a shelf where the bolt is bottoming about 1/4" too shallow.
The thinking is if I can get the helicoil out then it might be possible to shorten the tap and get it to run down into the hole enough more so that the bolt will seat down enough to hold the head. The shoulder on the funky fix-a-thred tap has probably made a shelf where the bolt is bottoming about 1/4" too shallow.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Alright, actual positive ground. Got the old helicoil out so I can attempt to run the tap, maybe shorten it to get the new threads deeper, and set a new insert.
FWIW, modified 16d nails and a bench grinder and a needle nose FTW.
FWIW, modified 16d nails and a bench grinder and a needle nose FTW.
tacomaJoe73
Rising Sun Member
time to go fishing afterwards, unwind.. you've got the hook now.
rover67
Rising Sun Member
don't maybe shorten it, shorten it FOR SURE. you need more (deeper) threads in there tapped to the insert's OD.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
@rover67 exactly. Ran it as made first until it solidly bottomed, cut the M12-1.25 guiding thread completely off. Used a thin wheel on the angle grinder, left the taper on the helicoil STI and dressed 'er up as nice as I could.
It aligned fine, cut a few more turns pretty nice, a little resistance but felt smooth like I expected. Set the coil in just below the surface, broke out the tang and even was able to fish it out of the hole.
Bolt bottoms in the block now, a solid couple of threads below the deck. This is what it's supposed to look like. I probably should've set the helicoil a little lower but it'll be fine.
It aligned fine, cut a few more turns pretty nice, a little resistance but felt smooth like I expected. Set the coil in just below the surface, broke out the tang and even was able to fish it out of the hole.
Bolt bottoms in the block now, a solid couple of threads below the deck. This is what it's supposed to look like. I probably should've set the helicoil a little lower but it'll be fine.
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