Do you even overland, bruh?
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DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
You mustn't have had to work on a car on gravel.
Or my 100 year old driveway with it's mini pot holes and deteriorating cement.
Not so much the jacking per se but moving it around on imperfect surfaces. Yeah, I can actually see the benefit.
If you want to see frustration imagine rolling under your truck and the tiny wheels of your creeper hitting a rock as you slide down it, your back finding the splinters. Ugh. An overland creeper. Now that's something I'd be interested in.
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
But can it fit 35" without rubbing? 🤔
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Inukshuk
Rising Sun Member
Its not terrible. I would like to see a Working Load Limit for the aluminum, and Working Load Limit and MTS (Minimum Tensile Strength) or MBS (Minimum Breaking Strength for the soft shackle. However, the hitch pin is really carrying the load here while the aluminum is just providing a nice radiused surface for the soft shackle. Good that the soft shackle can be removed and used elsewhere.
Downsides: 1) it does only one job, 2) pin locations vary on receivers so it is possible that the AL part ends up recessed on some, which would be bad. OK if it sticks out a bit.
Downsides: 1) it does only one job, 2) pin locations vary on receivers so it is possible that the AL part ends up recessed on some, which would be bad. OK if it sticks out a bit.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
That soft shackle adapter is made by a person who goes by Metcalf on Expedition Portal.
expeditionportal.com
A 5/8" grade 5 pin has a single shear strength of 22,000 lbf so in double shear it's at least 2x that.
Looks to me like a solution trying to find a problem.
Soft Shackle Receiver Adapter, SSRA or 'SaRAh' Device
Time to show this to the world..... I've been working on a safe and direct way to attach a soft shackle into a receiver hitch. This is what I came up with. After some extensive geometry development in some 3d printed models, it was time to make it in 6061-T6 aluminum. The 5-axis machining on...
expeditionportal.com
A 5/8" grade 5 pin has a single shear strength of 22,000 lbf so in double shear it's at least 2x that.
Looks to me like a solution trying to find a problem.
That soft shackle adapter is made by a person who goes by Metcalf on Expedition Portal.
Soft Shackle Receiver Adapter, SSRA or 'SaRAh' Device
Time to show this to the world..... I've been working on a safe and direct way to attach a soft shackle into a receiver hitch. This is what I came up with. After some extensive geometry development in some 3d printed models, it was time to make it in 6061-T6 aluminum. The 5-axis machining on...
A 5/8" grade 5 pin has a single shear strength of 22,000 lbf so in double shear it's at least 2x that.
Looks to me like a solution trying to find a problem.
Agreed. There is no reason for this when a traditional shackle serves the purpose. Also, people tend to leave these in, subjecting the soft shackle to the elements, wearing down its life.
I feel like 2 ton is not enough for a typical offroad rig.
nothing typical about 80's. 2ton is more than enough for mini trucks, 4runners, jeeps etc.....
a 3 ton would be nice for the 80 though.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Factor55 has a nice aluminum adapter for comparison. It's intended for a traditional bow shackle. They give it a WLL of 9500 lbs (so appropriate for a 3/4" or 4.75 ton) and design margin of roughly 5.3:1 at 51,000 lbf.
HitchLink 2.0
Use your receiver as a recovery tow point. Fits standard 2 inch receivers and common ¾ screw pin shackles/D-Rings.
It's not 1:1 because Factor55's is traditional with the block of aluminum in tension while the one above the aluminum is in compression. So the material strength isn't as important to WLL as the pin and rope loop.
In tension I'd take steel over aluminum but in this case a big hunk of either isn't the problem. My suspicion is that in all cases the component that is most suspect is the soft shackle, meaning it's the most difficult to pin down to a WLL and be in known good condition.
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AlpineAccess
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I think that summarizes overlandingThat soft shackle adapter is made by a person who goes by Metcalf on Expedition Portal.
Soft Shackle Receiver Adapter, SSRA or 'SaRAh' Device
Time to show this to the world..... I've been working on a safe and direct way to attach a soft shackle into a receiver hitch. This is what I came up with. After some extensive geometry development in some 3d printed models, it was time to make it in 6061-T6 aluminum. The 5-axis machining on...
A 5/8" grade 5 pin has a single shear strength of 22,000 lbf so in double shear it's at least 2x that.
Looks to me like a solution trying to find a problem.
Factor55 has a nice aluminum adapter for comparison. It's intended for a traditional bow shackle. They give it a WLL of 9500 lbs (so appropriate for a 3/4" or 4.75 ton) and design margin of roughly 5.3:1 at 51,000 lbf.
HitchLink 2.0
Use your receiver as a recovery tow point. Fits standard 2 inch receivers and common ¾ screw pin shackles/D-Rings.factor55.com
It's not 1:1 because Factor55's is traditional with the block of aluminum in tension while the one above the aluminum is in compression. So the material strength isn't as important to WLL as the pin and rope loop.
In tension I'd take steel over aluminum but in this case a big hunk of either isn't the problem. My suspicion is that in all cases the component that is most suspect is the soft shackle, meaning it's the most difficult to pin down to a WLL and be in known good condition.
Not sure where you are going with this. I made no mention of any metal to compare with/against. Did you mean to quote someone else?
mcgaskins
Rising Sun Member
A buddy sent me this today:
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That's a spendy fairlead. If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing.
Inukshuk
Rising Sun Member
FYI
I just bought that one a few weeks ago.
I just posted a few comments on that thread in Expo, specifically: "Do you also make the soft shackle? Your website says "ultimate breaking strength in excess of 40k pounds with a 3:1 safe Working Load Limit of over 6 tons." It is good to see a WLL based on a breaking strength divided by safety factor. That's good info many leave out of or are oblivious to. How are you / your manufacturer defining "ultimate breaking strength"? Is the rating on actual destructive testing of built shackles or derived from the rope used? Is the knot mechanically set? Will the soft shackles be labeled with the specifications so I can pick one up and know about it? If there is testing data, would you include it on the website / with product?"
Inukshuk
Rising Sun Member
I can see that serving a purpose for people who can't stop the winch run-on when stowing, but if all you have is the loop, who cares if it gets pulled through the fairlead. Safely reach in and pull it out next tiime you need to deploy.A buddy sent me this today:
Winch Hawse Fairlead | Groove Fairlead by Tow Points | Yankum Ropes
Winching will never be the same. Introducing the Tow Points Groove Fairlead, a hawse fairlead that eliminates the need for a bulky hook on the end of your winch line. Made out of 6061 aircraft aluminum, this fairlead was designed to take a beating. Pre-order yours now!
Now for real Hawse - style innovation see https://hawsepro.com/ from the same family who created the Pull-Pall. I have spoken with creator Max Gremillion and many in our circle know him personally. Its legit. For the person who must have a hawse profile (some bumpers only fit hawse style) and realizes that rollers are always better. You pay for it though.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Kind of multiple threads, actually was thinking of Daniel's post.
I just was over there reading his reply.
"Soft shackle rating. Doing an 'official' soft shackle rating is not something I want to get into. I've done both destructive testing and a LOT of real world testing. Since every unit is slightly unique in it's construction, it just isn't practical. You can stick a pretty tag on it, but it doesn't really mean much in my opinion. I use quality materials and quality construction methods, including a high force setting of the top knot, and that is as far as I want to go down the rabbit hole. If you need a fancy tag, just buy them elsewhere if that makes you feel more comfortable. There is not a higher quality soft shackle on the market at this price point in my opinion. I do this because I enjoy it, I am not trying to sell millions to the military or something. Soft Shackles, just like their steel cousins, are for all intents a wear item. We aren't logging and tracking every pull or lift on them. Most people have never used a load cell during a recovery. They do wear. They are often abused. They should be inspected and retired as required."
So the gist is "Trust me, I know what I'm doing. But don't actually put me on the hook for anything."
There's design and test standards that apply and installed tags indicating compliance to them aren't just cosmetic. Like the Cordage Institute (what a bunch of chumps, they've only been around 102 years and represent the manufacturers) and their 5:1 to 12:1 recommended design factor.
Cordage Institute International Guideline CI 1401-19 - Safer Use of Fiber Rope
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Soft Shackle Receiver Adapter $84
Soft Shackle Receiver Adapter, 2.0 size
This 5-axis machined 6061-T6 billet aluminum masterpiece provides the perfect connection for soft rigging into a 2.0" receiver hitch. The SSRA ( Soft Shackle Receiver Adapter) from Brennan's Garage provides the safest, most direct, connection to the pin in a common receiver hitch while using...brennans-garage.com
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I’m pretty sure this guy is from Durango but yet to meet him.
Inukshuk
Rising Sun Member
We never sold our souls ... fools