2024 Land Cruiser "250 series"

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Last night was the second time I have driven while it was snowing pretty hard at night, and both times the plastic lenses got so covered in snow that very little of the LED headlight could get through. Glass incandescent can do that too, but not to anywhere near the extent that these get covered.
 

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Do they just not get hot enough?
 

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Do they just not get hot enough?
I've heard of this being a problem when people retrofit but I kind of assumed that OEMs would have anticipated this, especially on a 4WD or AWD that you'd expect to be using in poor weather. A hasty web search it seems like it's a fairly common problem.

Haven't run into this personally yet since none of our cars have LED. I do notice a ring of ice sometimes forms on my lights, especially aux lights, where the beam is less intense.

So at this point it's just interesting to me since I'd have thought Toyota of all companies would have solved it by now. Perhaps wax or silicone on the housing might help? You know, like doing RainX on windshields.
 
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I drove in the snow and Ice last weekend and did not have issues with the headlights, but all of the forward facing sensors and the cameras on the bottom of the mirrors got covered in a 1/4" of ice. This caused all of the safeties related to lane keeping and distance to go crazy with annoying constant dash warnings. Hope Toyota comes up with a patch to only show the warning once and allow the operator to clear it.
 

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I drove in the snow and Ice last weekend and did not have issues with the headlights, but all of the forward facing sensors and the cameras on the bottom of the mirrors got covered in a 1/4" of ice. This caused all of the safeties related to lane keeping and distance to go crazy with annoying constant dash warnings. Hope Toyota comes up with a patch to only show the warning once and allow the operator to clear it.

Yep, that's happened to me several times. The back arrow by your left thumb will clear it temporarily, but it keeps coming back over and over.
 

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I've heard of this being a problem when people retrofit but I kind of assumed that OEMs would have anticipated this, especially on a 4WD or AWD that you'd expect to be using in poor weather. A hasty web search it seems like it's a fairly common problem.

Haven't run into this personally yet since none of our cars have LED. I do notice a ring of ice sometimes forms on my lights, especially aux lights, where the beam is less intense.

So at this point it's just interesting to me since I'd have thought Toyota of all companies would have solved it by now. Perhaps wax or silicone on the housing might help? You know, like doing RainX on windshields.

That's a great idea! Next time I'm in Walmart I'll see about getting some Rain X for the headlight lenses. I used that stuff on my windshield in the past and it does do a great job at making rain bead right up. I guess it is just not common to be driving in a heavy snow storm at night.
 

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Does anyone know what the prefix is for the 250 series? In the USA we have FJ25, FJ40, FJ45, FJ55, FJ60, FJ62, FJ80, FZJ80, UZJ100, URJ200, so what the heck is my 250?
 

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According to Wikipedia it is a TJH250.


T24A-FTS2,393 cc (2.4 L) I4 turbochargedEngine: to be announced

Front motor: to be announced
Engine: to be announced

Front motor: to be announced
243 kW (326 hp; 330 PS) / 630 N⋅m (64.2 kg⋅m; 465 lb⋅ft)1.87 kWh, 6.5 Ah, 288 V NiMH8-speed "Direct Shift" automaticTJH250[56]North America and China

Petrol hybrid
 

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This is an interesting video. He compares the FJ Cruiser to the new Land Cruiser, plus some comparisons to the GX 550 and new Taco. He is not impressed with the Land Cruiser (he likes the Tacoma and the GX 550).

 

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This is an interesting video. He compares the FJ Cruiser to the new Land Cruiser, plus some comparisons to the GX 550 and new Taco. He is not impressed with the Land Cruiser (he likes the Tacoma and the GX 550).


I like that guys (Tinker) videos. He has a lot of good ones on his home page. I believe him to be honest and unbaised when he begins his evaluations.

He did the wide vs narrow tire video that helped me decide which new tires for my Tacoma
 

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The fuel tank size is an issue with the 250. Combine it with the disappointing fuel economy. I can tow my trailer further with my built 80 series than I can with the stock 250. I knew about the smaller rear differential going into my purchase. I was not aware of the front CV’s. If you plan to build out one of these new trucks I’d buy the GX550 or a Tacoma. If I had local dealer support maybe I would have gone with the Lexus. But there are lots of things I like about the LC over the GX, styling and features. And the LC-premium as a trim package was the sweet spot for me having what I wanted without many things I didn’t. With the GX I would have wanted the overtrail-plus and that was considerably more expensive. The advertised MPG as my daily was probably the real draw. But it’s not really delivering. Overall I don’t have any regrets with my decision. I really like the LC-250. But if I didn’t have he 80 as a dedicated trail truck I’d probably regret not getting the GX550.
 

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I dunno, that sort of review is informative but maybe not really good. What I mean is the underlying message makes a presumption that everything is junk but it's not. Just because something is improved doesn't make what came before bad. It was good at the time and continues to be just as good as it ever was.

Videos like this might seem negative to Toyota but they're not. They stoke a fire to stay on the treadmill chasing an unobtanium next best ever. It's actually good marketing since it doesn't leave you thinking badly about the brand, just that maybe instead of a LC250 you want the Tacoma.

The flip side is Toyota built the 250 in their conservative way, using parts that in some cases have 30 years of history and design iteration. They know the right alloy, the right process, the right way to optimize it. The supply chains are in place globally. That, I think, may have something to do with their choices. The parts on the 250 are the same as they've used on Prado and Hilux (and 4Runner, Tacoma, GX) for 30 years. You'll have no trouble finding a CV boot kit for one you pull from a middle of nowhere junk yard. The space around the fuel tank seems unnecessary in first world America where dust is washed off with an automatic undercarriage car wash while you doomscroll inside but maybe not after 2 months of monsoon season mud in southeast Asia.

We have forgotten what a global vehicle looks like maybe? Just spit balling as I look out the window at my Tacoma, which has magically survived 18 years with many of the same "inferior" parts.

But then again, the choice to use thinner material. That's something that has irked me on my Tacoma and has me questioning it. They clearly cheapened the truck. There's no obvious excuse for that IMO. It makes me think they're trying to sell on image and flashy but pointless tech instead of a solid truck where a fraction of the buyers will ever really test its limits. So using existing parts wasn't a nod to long term availability but just because they had to rush a design out when they realized how badly they misjudged market demand.

To boil it down, maybe Toyota did the research and found that someone considering replacing a 120 or 150 series truck, who's collected spare parts and tools for that, didn't want to have to start over again, so an incremental step instead of a leap with it. Gotta remember that most markets for Land Cruiser, Prado and Hilux don't swap cars every 2 years on lease but long term own-until-it-dies purchases. I mean, look at how slow the 40-70 series evolved. In comparison the 90-120-150-250 platform has gone through warp speed change and it still falls under the light duty branch in markets that get a 300 series.
 
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