Nerf bars were never sliders, or rock rails.
They were those tube bars that come factory or added later, but mostly just a step.
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They were those tube bars that come factory or added later, but mostly just a step.
DaveInDenver
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Just for clarity, what you get when you order PT228-60241-AA from Toyota, the factory "rock rails" ain't exactly your mother's damage multiplier nerf bars.
There's four mounts on the frame intended for these rails. They're not nearly as good as real sliders, where like Slee boxes in the frame and looks like they'd provide better support. At least these are frame mounted and not to the under side of the door sills like our 4th gen 4Runner steps.
For mild rocker protection it seems like you could do worse than the dealer part. Although at like $1k they seem expensive, that money could go a long way towards something aftermarket more appropriate and thicker.
These are maybe similar to the bars Epocs was making for the FJC, which also has dedicated rail mounts on the frame, right?
There's four mounts on the frame intended for these rails. They're not nearly as good as real sliders, where like Slee boxes in the frame and looks like they'd provide better support. At least these are frame mounted and not to the under side of the door sills like our 4th gen 4Runner steps.
For mild rocker protection it seems like you could do worse than the dealer part. Although at like $1k they seem expensive, that money could go a long way towards something aftermarket more appropriate and thicker.
These are maybe similar to the bars Epocs was making for the FJC, which also has dedicated rail mounts on the frame, right?
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I crawled under the 250 at the launch in SLC. The OEM rock rails are definitely more than a cosmetic item. I would feel confident rubbing up against a rock. Maybe even enough to pivot around it. But would I drive off a ledge and land on them, slide over said ledge, and expect no damage, no.
Do I plan to wheel my 250 in this manor, not yet, maybe some day. But I’m accustomed to this level of protection so I have it if I need it.
Do I plan to wheel my 250 in this manor, not yet, maybe some day. But I’m accustomed to this level of protection so I have it if I need it.
Rzeppa
Rising Sun Member
Nerf bars were never sliders, or rock rails.
They were those tube bars that come factory or added later, but mostly just a step.
Nope nope nope. I'd speculate you haven't been in Rising Sun long enough to know Bruce Miller (who built them at his business) or Dave Brown who was the original designer and former TLCA President). These were sliders for 40s and were extremely beefy. Nothing like those images. Check out their adverts in Toyota Trails from the 1990s.
Rzeppa
Rising Sun Member
Nope nope nope. Those images are not those of the factory sliders that I got. I am not sure where those images came from but that's not what I got from Groove, except the last one, which you'll notice doesn't match the first two. And no, there are 5 mounting points that bolt on the frame rails, and those suckers are so heavy I re-injured my rotator cuff installing them. The ones I got have J-hook mounts so you can start the bolts, hook the sliders up then start the rest of the bolts before you honk them down.Just for clarity, what you get when you order PT228-60241-AA from Toyota, the factory "rock rails" ain't exactly your mother's damage multiplier nerf bars.
There's four mounts on the frame intended for these rails. They're not nearly as good as real sliders, where like Slee boxes in the frame and looks like they'd provide better support. At least these are frame mounted and not to the under side of the door sills like our 4th gen 4Runner steps.
For mild rocker protection it seems like you could do worse than the dealer part. Although at like $1k they seem expensive, that money could go a long way towards something aftermarket more appropriate and thicker.
These are maybe similar to the bars Epocs was making for the FJC, which also has dedicated rail mounts on the frame, right?
When I was on the LCML, I saw a ton of posts from people who didn't have first hand, eyeball experience with stuff, and swore I would never post about anything I didn't have first hand, eyeball, hands-on information. I don't have first hand eyeball experience with Slee's 250 series sliders, but I do with his 80 and 100 series sliders, and with my own factory 250 series sliders, and to my eye there is no diminution of quality with Toyota's Rock Rails compared to Christo's. I respect Christo and acknowledge that he makes great products, but in this debate I assert that the factory sliders are damn good and that there is no good reason the spend twice as much on aftermarket.
Here is a photo of the OEM LC250 rock rails. The arms that mount to the frame are not boxed and have no gussets at the rail. We can theorize forever how much abuse they can endure but only time will tell. I was not going to step up to the First Edition for those or the 3/4 length roof rack.
Photo pulled from Slee’s site.
I looked at many options personally. Dissent makes a really good looking slider. Visually I preferred them. But more money, longer wait time. And his arms bolt to the main slider in addition to the frame. That did not appeal to me. Slee offers a lighting kit and I did not want to give that up as it is nice at night for my wife. And as a daily I needed a step slider.
If simple pure wheeling was my criteria I might have gone with RCI Offroad. They offer a 20° up angle version for more clearance much like the Metal Tech sliders on my 80. They were also the most affordable I found. https://rcimetalworks.com/product/r...ms8GM2n9X3TNyXbE4Y7QcbLywaA0Ij7QlfQvG0OC_avDf
Photo pulled from Slee’s site.
I looked at many options personally. Dissent makes a really good looking slider. Visually I preferred them. But more money, longer wait time. And his arms bolt to the main slider in addition to the frame. That did not appeal to me. Slee offers a lighting kit and I did not want to give that up as it is nice at night for my wife. And as a daily I needed a step slider.
If simple pure wheeling was my criteria I might have gone with RCI Offroad. They offer a 20° up angle version for more clearance much like the Metal Tech sliders on my 80. They were also the most affordable I found. https://rcimetalworks.com/product/r...ms8GM2n9X3TNyXbE4Y7QcbLywaA0Ij7QlfQvG0OC_avDf
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The FJC OEM rails bolted directly to the frame. My only issue with them was how tight they were to the body. I got some scuffs on the plastic trim right above them as a result. Ended up swaping them out for all pro kickouts while I still had the truck. They were definitely stout and took some good hits with no problems.
Sliders are so use case dependent and every design has a pro and con. Both the 60 and 80 have flat slider steps. Angled up would be better in the rocks, but the steps are just so great for daily use.
Sliders are so use case dependent and every design has a pro and con. Both the 60 and 80 have flat slider steps. Angled up would be better in the rocks, but the steps are just so great for daily use.
I’m just going off what 99% of the off road community considers nerf bars.
Any quick google search will show the difference between sliders and nerf bars..
I know that Sliders, nerf bars, etc went by many different names in the 90's, but nerf bars are nearly cosmetic and basicly just steps
Your "speculations" about this guy or that guy don't matter to me. I know you like to cling really hard to the way things used to be and fight change like no other.....
Rzeppa
Rising Sun Member
Yeah, I crawled under there and sure enough I was wrong. I thought it was 5 bolts but turns out it is 8 bolts on 4 struts.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Got them from Lexus. Mea culpa, for GX550, not Toyota and obviously I'm mistaken but it comes up in Toyota dealer parts websites, too.
Part number is PT228-60241-AA, comes up as right hand rock rail. Left side is PT228-60240.
https://parts.lexus.com/p/Lexus__/Rock-Rails---Right-Side/144531738/PT22860241.html
https://parts.elmhursttoyota.com/oe...-2024-land-cruiser-right-rock-rail-pt22860241
Taking care of a few things from the "get done before CM," long list.
3.5" Dobinson lift, Delta Radius arms, Delta panhard correction bracket, Dobinson Panhard, 1FZ-FE sticker.
You get by with a little help from your friends: @Johnny Utah, @Beef Supreme
Still to do:
ATF to Radiator hoses.
Motor mounts.
Tranny mount.
Dobinsons Upper/Lower control arms.
....Other stuff...
I encountered a driveline vibration on the ride back. I'll pull the front DS tomorrow and see if the "buzz," disappears. There might be a double cardan in my future. The price goes up every inch you depart from stock.
3.5" Dobinson lift, Delta Radius arms, Delta panhard correction bracket, Dobinson Panhard, 1FZ-FE sticker.
You get by with a little help from your friends: @Johnny Utah, @Beef Supreme
Still to do:
ATF to Radiator hoses.
Motor mounts.
Tranny mount.
Dobinsons Upper/Lower control arms.
....Other stuff...
I encountered a driveline vibration on the ride back. I'll pull the front DS tomorrow and see if the "buzz," disappears. There might be a double cardan in my future. The price goes up every inch you depart from stock.
Picked up my LS heads from Gunn.
So fresh and so clean
So fresh and so clean
Watching your progress closely! May have to do the same treatment to my 40… what’s your plan for tuning with the new cams?Picked up my LS heads from Gunn.
So fresh and so clean
My plan is to take it to the dyno man and let them tune it in just right
Inukshuk
Rising Sun Member
Picked up the transmission Thursday. Guy who rebuilt it is experienced, but there’s a few things lacking that I think he should’ve known. He didn’t know there was not a gasket behind the bell housing. So he removed the bell housing to check which made sense to me although he could’ve also said there’s no gasket behind it if he would’ve known that. He didn’t have the right tool to remove the torque 50 Plus (that’s a name for these) GM bolts nor the ability to quickly source replacements so I got replacements.
He said the pump O-ring looked fine, which doesn’t help much because he probably thought it looked fine the last two times he put it in. He thought two of the O-rings for the pump bolts didn’t look good and replaced those.
Back at the Long cruiser garage last night I removed the pump bolts one by one, and although the O-rings fit the bolt shaft, I don’t like how they don’t completely fill the groove under the bolt head. But, I have nothing to compare with. I made them spotlessly clean, filled the groove with Toyota FIPIG, slipped the O-ring onto and into the FIPIG and reinstalled. I removed and replaced each bell housing bolt clean with blue Loctite.
Reinstall today.
He said the pump O-ring looked fine, which doesn’t help much because he probably thought it looked fine the last two times he put it in. He thought two of the O-rings for the pump bolts didn’t look good and replaced those.
Back at the Long cruiser garage last night I removed the pump bolts one by one, and although the O-rings fit the bolt shaft, I don’t like how they don’t completely fill the groove under the bolt head. But, I have nothing to compare with. I made them spotlessly clean, filled the groove with Toyota FIPIG, slipped the O-ring onto and into the FIPIG and reinstalled. I removed and replaced each bell housing bolt clean with blue Loctite.
Reinstall today.
Inukshuk
Rising Sun Member
I also had a little bit of oil on the back of the engine, and I had previously resealed the cover plate in the rear main so suspected it was seeping past the flex plate bolts, which I had not put Loctite on. Confirmed. Will reinstall with Loctite.
No idea. Got any one you recommend?
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Inukshuk
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Over the weekend reinstalled the transmission, transfer case, exhaust, and a bunch more. Wrapped the cats with 100’ of wire rope as a theft deterrent. Drove it home tonight for the first time in 13 months. No leaks yet!
Know that hill southbound on Sheridan by 50th? I accelerated up it.
Know that hill southbound on Sheridan by 50th? I accelerated up it.