Red_Chili's body swap

Red_Chili

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Oh, sure... Monday morning quarterbacking...:lmao:
You should have seen all the cheap flawless bodies I suddenly heard about for $200 after we started this project!:eek:

In fact, what you suggest is what a lot of guys do. However, consider this: we would be talking doing a motor swap with driveline relocation, axle swap, and all the bits I have done to the truck over the last 4 years. Doing this myself would simply not happen in a timely manner, because I no longer have the time (nor the space really). Paying someone else to do it would not be covered by insurance at all, and would be astronomically expensive.

A body swap is much easier despite all the infinite details. Lots of guys take this route too, as did Cheeseman (though he is doing all the swap work hisself:bowdown: ). It may be that mechanical work is not daunting to most of us, while body work is! The dark arts, as it were.

Terry is able to do this mostly keeping with the insurance estimate with some extras that would not be covered, which I expected. The 'pristine' donor body turned out to be needing almost as much work as the wrecked body (except the A-pillar already covered, and the fact that it was 'tweaked' and pushed down to the frame a bit - these can be fixed but corrosion protection will be compromised over the long haul. Not so with the donor body repairs). This was not planned and that chaps me mightily, but is still doable.

My goal is to keep the truck for a very long time, and keep it nice. I have found that I really don't like the scrape-the-truck-up kind of 4-wheeling. I'm a hot rodder/collector with a 4x4 more or less. I like a pristine vehicle. All the little dings, dents, rust spots, non-matching-paint and lousy-bodywork issues (done by moi) will be dealt with and I will have, essentially, a new vehicle which only happens to show 190,000 miles on the odo.

Just a start on its way to 500,000. No kiddin'. And why not? No part on it has 190,000 miles, except the frame.:lmao: All the running gear and wear surfaces are practically new.

It ain't a mutual fund. Vehicles are not investments. It's payment for use and enjoyment, whether new or used.
 

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Doors, hood and body are in primer
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The black paint is what we call a guide coat. The next step will be to block sand the primered panels, by having a guide coat on, wherever there may be a small dent or a low spot, it will show as the area around that low spot will have all the black paint sanded off, and the low spot will still have unsanded black paint.
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wow. I appreciate the way you've continued to document this process, very cool.
 

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OK, OK, the hub- I had it locked on slickrock after a rain, and turned tight. BAM. My wife and I looked at each other, "THAT wasn't good!" we said. Thought I had managed to bust a FRORF chromo rear axle.

Nope- stripped a stock Toyota flange. Replaced with my spare hub and off we went, good as new, splines totally unaffected. Only to roll the next day.

Wow. That is handy to be able to swap like that. Makes perfect sense.


Excuse me for asking this! But after looking at the pictures and thinking of the man hours(labor) involved in doing this. Wouldn't you just be better off finding another 4Runner and doing a swap on the parts or buying a new FJ? This just seems like a lot of money for maybe something that get's dinged up again..But that's just my humble opinion.....

Sentimental value. I know if i had a policy that would pay to fix my rig, i'd fix it in a heartbeat to keep the original vehicle rather that swap.
 

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wow. I appreciate the way you've continued to document this process, very cool.

My pleasure, I've been thinking for awhile that showing the steps of different body repair procedures would be a good thing to do. I've really never seen it documented before. Maybe body shops feel that they would be giving away their secrets. But I don't feel that way. I think it shows how much skilled work there is that's involved in doing this stuff properly.

My painter is now masking to paint the roof and the jams, it's really not possible or beneficial to paint everything all at once, so splitting it up between interior areas, and in this case, also the roof, since the jams flow into the roof, helps us get a better all around paint job.
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I think we acheived the goal of making the new quarter panel spot welds, look like the factory welds, once paint is on it will be very difficult to tell that the quarter was replaced.
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Excuse me for asking this! But after looking at the pictures and thinking of the man hours(labor) involved in doing this. Wouldn't you just be better off finding another 4Runner and doing a swap on the parts or buying a new FJ? This just seems like a lot of money for maybe something that get's dinged up again..But that's just my humble opinion.....
Funny, you sound a lot like Bill did when I decided to build an essentially new 22R long block. Just swap it for a 3.4L, he says. Do a patch job rebuild, they said. Turns out I was stubborn and he was probably right. So, I'm not one who'd second guess his decision on this. Man, oh man, if I could back in time 8 months.
 

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No worries Dave, you didn't make a bad decision, just one among many. You are within a spit of perfect and a good diagnostician will get you to the prize.

I considered buying a new vehicle and starting over, I really did. It would have been a Taco doublecab coilover SAS, built for expedition. But then I realized that no matter how cool it would have been, it would not have had a removable softtop, and it would not have been the Chili. The Chili is about three mods away from the vision I had when I started (on board welder, beadlocks - though I am questioning really why exactly - and hydro assist). Built for serious expedition travel, yet comfortable and capable on the highway with good mileage to boot.

Really, what I have is a vehicle I would have built if I could build vehicles, just using all the best parts Toyota ever made. I like the way their engineers used to think. Elegance and parsimony. Reusability across models. One part many functions. Ease of rebuilding. No one else does it like that. Oddly, Carrie and I kinda did that in rebuilding our bungalow, but that's a different thread. The Buells are built the same way.

But the only new vehicle that tickles my fancy is the 4-door Rubi sitting on 37s with a softtop and built like the Chili - maybe with a different motor (see? It's a disease). Sorry Toyota, time to step up to the plate. The new FJ ain't it.
 
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No worries Dave, you didn't make a bad decision, just one among many. You are within a spit of perfect and a good diagnostician will get you to the prize.
Yeah, thanks. The problem isn't so much that I don't know what's wrong but that I unfortunately probably do. Now if only money just grew on trees.
 

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Squirt it! Squirt it! Squirt it! Chili you must be dying to see this... I am and it ain't even my rig.

87xota, what does it take to get a quote? I am sure it involves bringing the truck by, where are you guys at?

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Squirt it! Squirt it! Squirt it! Chili you must be dying to see this... I am and it ain't even my rig.

87xota, what does it take to get a quote? I am sure it involves bringing the truck by, where are you guys at?

Rezarf

Sure come by and i'll work you up an estimate, if you time it right, you might be the first to see some paint on Bill's rig ;)

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Anybody know what the growing season is for red chilis?

I've got one in my shop that's looking a little ripe on the top and sides.

Let's see, I got some pic's around somewhere, where did I put them............
 

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LOL....Anticipation has got to be killing Bill...

That old ketchup "anticipation" theme song keeps going through my head...I know that has nothing to do with red chilis but ketchup IS red and through in the whole anticipation thing and there your go :hill:

EDIT: Let's see if this linky will work - Anticipation
 

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Oh man it's pink! Better delete that picture quick and get it back in the booth before Bill sees it.



j/k :lmao:
 

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Carly simon.. sweet !
 

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Hardy har har, you guys is mean! ;)

I went by there and blew Terry's strategy of stringing me along... and just stood there taking it in. It looks tall! and a lot more like it does now than it did a while ago... :lmao:

Man o man o man, o boy o boy..... There will be a bunch of work redoing all the custom wiring and I'm sure I'll have to bring the beer and pizza and my memory of what all I had where, and make an evening of it.

Come to think of it, the down side to that is... ??? And maybe I can put things where I *wished* I had put them after I put them somewhere else!

Hey Terry, I had a thought... will you need or want to put the little wheels on that truck to make it easier to paint and sand and buff? Because if you do, it might make a good time to stage putting on the new wheels (yeah, I decided to spring for it). Depending on shipment timing I guess. Just a thought, let me know.
 

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Because if you do, it might make a good time to stage putting on the new wheels (yeah, I decided to spring for it). Depending on shipment timing I guess. Just a thought, let me know.

Can we see a preview teaser shot? :thumb:
 

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Hardy har har, you guys is mean! ;)



Hey Terry, I had a thought... will you need or want to put the little wheels on that truck to make it easier to paint and sand and buff?

That might make Jamie happy, but I have a set of 30's at the shop from a Trooper with 6 hole rims, that's probably alot easier to throw on there. And it would make some good pictures!
 

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I just saw the comment of "twins" and realized that would be the Chili-Cheese Twins :lmao: :lmao: ... And if we all 3 ran together it would be the Chili-Cheese-Dog run...:lmao:

The buildups look great. Makes me jealous... I may have to see about having that rear rust bubbling up in the right rear quarter taken care of.
 
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