Corona Virus Panic

Rzeppa

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Okay, I kinda understand wanting to buy some hand sanitizer or stock up on non-perishables like canned goods, but why produce? First pic is the (no) banana display, second one (was) potatoes.

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Finally, if you're gonna be quarantined for 14 days, ya gotta have plenty of meat! Notice in the second picture at the lower right, that no one seemed to want the Saint Paddy's day corned beef! I happily bought one because, well it was actually on my shopping list anyway.

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To add to what Jackson posted on FB the other day from a pic Megan sent him, here is the paper towel/toilet paper aisle, and the facial tissue section. At least they still had some?

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She got me fruits in the form of a cherry pie. Don’t want to end up with scurvy lol!
 

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Cite references, please.

Just a hasty search came across these.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2001737
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30113-4/fulltext

The Lancet quotes copies/mL medians of 79,900 (4.9 log)  in throat swabs and 752,000 (5.9 log) in sputum swabs for SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19). That's it ranges from a 2.8 logs to ridiculously greater than 9 logs isn't important, outliers are not statistically important.

For example the NIH itself mentions well over 8 log in H1N1 and H3N2 infections immediately after infection in throat and sputum swabs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2874536/

Sounds like you're informed in infectious disease. How is measuring an extremely high viral load such as that different than any other disease? It's what ends up in the blood that matters. What are those for the various diseases comparatively?
I think I heard that stat on the Stephan Molyneux podcast but I can't say for sure. This source shows the viral concentrations after 5 days are 1,000 times higher in the upper respiratory tract than SARS: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/study-highlights-ease-spread-covid-19-viruses and presumably the difference in concentration grows with time. The reason it matters is because combined with the fact that covid19 also has asymptomatic spread (SARS does not) that it is incredibly contagious. The estimates put the R0 at 3-4 but that's 3-4 with people taking precautions and wearing PPE I bet in the real world it's much higher. 7% death rate should scare anyone let alone combined with asymptomatic spread, up to 20 days incubation period, etc etc.

Cogent ad hominem aside, do caps indicate a raised voice or is it some other emphasis? I'm not trying to argue. I just want to be sure I get what it is you're trying to say.
Haha, wow. You called my friend an idiot on the last page and now look at you. Got any more snake anecdotes?
 

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The time for constructive argument has more or less passed... You heard it here first! Come to The Learning Channel thread and post up some books & vids!!! @J1000 Come post up Molyneux’s “The story of your enslavement” so I don’t have to! Lol
 

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Whelp.... we are back at zero percent rates. ZIRP (zero interest rate policy) for all with a dash of POMO (permanent open market operations) too. $2,200,000,000,000 in treasury and MBS (mortgage backed security) purchases announced in the past few days. Makes the 300 billion in proposed FICA cuts seem small.

Ever given thought to what 2.2 trillion means? There are 330 million Americans. That equated out to the government monetizing the debt to the tune of nearly $7,000 for every man woman and child in the USA. Wow. That is in addition to our 24 trillion dollar official debt and the approximately 4 trillion in debt the Fed is still carrying from the last recession. Oh and the unofficial government debt spending for 2019 was ~1.2 trillion. What do we wager that number will be this year?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/15/fed...-700-billion-quantitative-easing-program.html

The futures markets open in 5 minutes. It is expected that it will be another bad open like last week. Care to wager guesses?

genuine curiosity here: can you explain that in laymen’s terms? Your post seems like you think it’s a bad thing. I read about that earlier and thought this was good? I mean, a bunch of billionaires are going to lose some cash but usually the rate drop means good times for refinancing for us poor folk. But sounds like that’s incorrect?

again, genuinely curious. I don’t have a single stock or investment (other than whatever retirement plan my employer has) so I don’t follow any of that stuff. I’d like to learn.
 

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Look, The event is amazing, and always has been. The raffle was always fun to watch and see what people get, the dinner was a great time to reminisce with the people you met on the trails, and hear the stories from the trails you were not on with them, to catch up with anyone you met years prior. The vendor night, oh what a treat, to see what new and amazing products, and meet the people who back there products and test them day in, and day out. Experiencing new trails, and ones you ran over and over, It never does get old with new people, and there new experiences into the world of off roading.

With that said I am deeply saddened that there will not be a vendor night, dinner, nor a raffle. I do hope something can be worked out, for I was in need of another dinner :unsure:. however I am still planning on going, i'll just have to find other means to catch up with others.

See ya'll on the trails!

Also I signed up to be gunner on steel bender not leader :eek:

btw its just a flu strain, take your vitamins, eat your broccoli, and Brussel sprouts and you'll be just fine!

Can you show me where any health official has stated this is just a flu strain and that they think this is all a huge over reaction?
 

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A Reply to Jeff
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How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Love The CoronaVirus Forum Threads
@Rzeppa Jeff! You made my day... Funny story, I actually spent several hours writing that post. It started off incredibly long and it was abrasive as hell! I was quite pleased with myself, but you definetly would NOT have wanted to consider my points, nor piss on me if I was on fire! lol Glad I came to my senses and did at least one useful thing here...

I’ve never been one of those guys who suffered for others being flippant or wrong on the internet... I used to laugh and wonder why some people just could not abide it, why they felt they just had to take people to task...

Now, having been that guy, I’ll say it’s been such an incredible energy sink for me... Ironically, most of the posts and replies I’ve slaved over are just too dickish to put up... Any facts or figures they contain are likely ancient history even now, but the fact that I was an asshole is totally the kind of thing that we as people remember best...

The truth is I have much respect and appreciation for all of you guys and I would never take an internet forum tone with any of you in real life, no matter what you said...

I once read that we’re wired for communicating with other people physically present to us and that without body language communication, we’re missing out on more than we realize...

That’s in part, how they explain otherwise normal people getting road rage when an anonymous car cuts them off...

Or getting on Facebook and informing their neighbor’s cousin’s best friend that they’re the “dumbest piece of shit to ever walk the earth!”

We forget ourselves when there isn’t someone standing in front of us and we take license to be awful...

So maybe that was part of my problem, I don’t know...

One thing I do know is there’s no dumber pieces of shit that I’d rather walk the earth with! lol

Good luck guys!​

Edit: it’s just like me to say a lot and overlook what I set out to say... Namely, that anyone here is welcome to call on me, anytime, and if there’s something I can do for you, know that I will do my upmost to help...

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genuine curiosity here: can you explain that in laymen’s terms? Your post seems like you think it’s a bad thing. I read about that earlier and thought this was good? I mean, a bunch of billionaires are going to lose some cash but usually the rate drop means good times for refinancing for us poor folk. But sounds like that’s incorrect?

again, genuinely curious. I don’t have a single stock or investment (other than whatever retirement plan my employer has) so I don’t follow any of that stuff. I’d like to learn.


@AxleIke but you do have US dollars. This spending will further devalue the dollar and your purchasing power. The dollar has lost almost 50% of its value since the year 2000. While I agree we are seeing an event that has not been expereinced for ~5 generations, the cost will be huge for all of us, even if you have no stocks.
 

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Covid19 has up to 10,000x more viral load in the respiratory system than SARS and can be spread just by breathing normally, no cough needed. Can last suspended in the air for up to 30 minutes. Italy just upped their fatality rate to 7% yesterday.

FWIW; As of 2 days ago now Covid is no longer considered airborne precautions. Just droplet, and contact. So surgical mask, gloves, gown, and Eye pro.
At least this is according to Denver Health's daily changing protocol.
 
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The flu


A common viral infection that can be deadly, especially in high-risk groups.


The flu attacks the lungs, nose, and throat. Young children, older adults, pregnant women, and people with chronic disease or weak immune systems are at high risk
.

HOW IT SPREADS


By airborne respiratory droplets (coughs or sneezes).


By touching a contaminated surface (blanket or doorknob).


By saliva (kissing or shared drinks).


By skin-to-skin contact (handshakes or hugs)
.

Covid-19


Coronavirus (COVID-19) is characterized by mild symptoms including a runny nose, sore throat, cough, and fever. Illness can be more severe for some people and can lead to pneumonia or breathing difficulties.


More rarely, the disease can be fatal. Older people, and people with other medical conditions (such as asthma, diabetes, or heart disease), may be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill.


People may experience:


runny nose


sore throat


cough


fever


difficulty breathing (severe cases
)

Person-to-person spread


The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.


Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).


Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.


These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs
.

The flu thrives in the winter, and dies out in the summer, same with any virus.

Dont need a scientist to compare facts.


The flu is a virus, until there was a vaccine, now its just a common cold that still kills people. H1n1 is a virus, but is considered a flu since now there is a vaccine. Still deadly.


We live in a world that is constantly evolving.
 

3rdGen4R

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The flu


A common viral infection that can be deadly, especially in high-risk groups.


The flu attacks the lungs, nose, and throat. Young children, older adults, pregnant women, and people with chronic disease or weak immune systems are at high risk
.

HOW IT SPREADS


By airborne respiratory droplets (coughs or sneezes).


By touching a contaminated surface (blanket or doorknob).


By saliva (kissing or shared drinks).


By skin-to-skin contact (handshakes or hugs)
.

Covid-19


Coronavirus (COVID-19) is characterized by mild symptoms including a runny nose, sore throat, cough, and fever. Illness can be more severe for some people and can lead to pneumonia or breathing difficulties.


More rarely, the disease can be fatal. Older people, and people with other medical conditions (such as asthma, diabetes, or heart disease), may be more vulnerable to becoming severely ill.


People may experience:


runny nose


sore throat


cough


fever


difficulty breathing (severe cases
)

Person-to-person spread


The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.


Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).


Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.


These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs
.

The flu thrives in the winter, and dies out in the summer, same with any virus.

Dont need a scientist to compare facts.


The flu is a virus, until there was a vaccine, now its just a common cold that still kills people. H1n1 is a virus, but is considered a flu since now there is a vaccine. Still deadly.


We live in a world that is constantly evolving.

Are you a medical expert?
 

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@AxleIke but you do have US dollars. This spending will further devalue the dollar and your purchasing power. The dollar has lost almost 50% of its value since the year 2000. While I agree we are seeing an event that has not been expereinced for ~5 generations, the cost will be huge for all of us, even if you have no stocks.

Ah, now that makes some sense. I can never keep track of how these high level moves actually make their way down to us. You hear about how this or that is going “stimulate the economy” but it never makes any noticeable difference here on the ground.

Devaluing currency is something that I can understand and see. Thanks Jeff!
 
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