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Just read half post about adding the ARB compressor. I'll come back for the rest soon. Looks pretty good. Can't wait for the airline and shower pressure tips in the future.

Yesterday I was looking at Desert Does It underseat compressor mount. Their seat Jackers have served me well for about two years. Did you consider DDI for seat jackers or their compressor setup?

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I didn't want to have the air compressor in the cab with me. It's pretty noisy and I figured if we have kids someday, I don't want to wake them up when we're airing up the tires.

I had the compressor on my old truck under the hood for several years but it got pretty beat up in the heat under there. Later I moved it into the pocket in the rear cargo area. On first Gen runners, there's a big storage area behind those rear quarter panels. It was noisy even way back there and with a bunch of sound deadening mats. I didn't want to have an air compressor in a pelican case because I'd probably forget to pack it when I really need it 😅

So that led me to mount it where I did.

With my truck, the drivers seat is fully adjustable so I didn't need seat jackers. I might get a set for the passenger seat though.
 

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One of the reasons I ended up with the truck that I did was because of that fully adjustable seat. I have a very long torso so most Tacomas don't give me enough head room. That's also why I had to avoid a sunroof which is actually somewhat difficult in newer Tacomas with manual transmissions.
 

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Something I miss from my old truck is the ability to select 2LOW or to engage the locker(s) in 2HI or 4HI. I see there are two kits that can trick the computer into doing these things.

This kit does 2LOW and requires getting a switch separately. This kit does the locker in any mode and then I'd need to find somewhere to poke an LED through the dash to indicate it's engaged (I guess I could use a blank switch plug and pop the LED through it). Someone reports that both kits can work together. Too bad someone doesn't make one kit that does both.

Has anyone here used either or both of those kits?
 

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Geez, $300. Isn't the locker anytime just the grey wire mod?

Doing 2WD low is a trickier one with the 2005+ trucks and the 4WD ECU wanting things to happen in certain orders. I haven't messed with that, seems rife with ways to ruin stuff and have the ECU or an actuator fail at the least opportune moment.
 
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On the 3rd gens it seems to be much more complicated to trick the ECU into locking the locker. What I've read on old Tacoma world forum posts indicates there's a bunch of trickery that has to happen to turn on the locker without freaking out the computer. And the locker has an initial 12v engagement and then an 8v hold. Or maybe it's running via PWM. There's more of forum posting of people figuring it out. It looks like the anytime locker mod only became available last fall. But without modifying the dash cluster you lose the locker indicator light.

There were some people trying to figure out changing ECU software to allow both the 2WLo and anytime locker but that seems to be a dead end at the moment.
 

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Yeah, that makes sense. The 2016+ locker is a different beast. It's a variation of (or maybe just is) an Eaton that uses a strong electromagnet to lock. I don't know if it's PWM but I think it does have to stay energized to stay locked. That's not to say Toyota doesn't do a PWM but the aftermarket Eaton harness just puts constant power on it through a relay.

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The electronic transfer case where your dial is but a suggestion to an ECU is total b.s. They solved a problem they didn't have by not using manual hubs and a dang stick shift. Now they have to have rings and tooth detectors and timing of operations for no benefit and less reliability. Well, I guess we all have to pay to protect from people who might try to shift into 4 low at 70MPH on the Interstate. :doh:
 
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Is there a situation where 2Lo is significantly necessary? Just asking for an ignorant friend :)

For the record, I completely agree with Dave's point. It would have been great to just have manual control of the transfer case/center diff, instead of having to ask the ECU for permission.

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Re: 2WD low. There are utility benefits, such as maneuvering trailers on pavement where creeping is useful and a locked front axle is either unnecessary or potentially a problem.

For how I use my truck it's never really been something I missed being able to do. When I need low range it's on trails or snow or that sort of thing where either the front drive is fine or needed.

What I do miss is having a way to get the t-case into neutral.

Kind of the same with the rear locker. I've never honestly been in a spot that I really had to lock it and not been in 4-low or at least going a speed where I absolutely had to be in high range. When you have a spool or auto locker and drive on pavement it's a tolerate sort of thing so if you have a selectable why would you need it?

But there again, I've heard people with boats would find it helpful on ramps, as one example, or maybe if it's a regularly used farm or construction truck. So I'm not saying I've come close to seeing all scenarios and it's not unusual at all for rear wheel drive medium and heavy duty trucks to have rear lockers and no front drive at all. But a muddy construction site is a problem that plain old high range 4WD could solve, too.

The fact is both being ECU controlled is more just inconvenient and irritating than real problems. Having to do the right patting the head and rubbing the belly to pick low range gets old. Especially with a stick since it takes in vehicle speed, brake and clutch pedal status.
 
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I wonder why they decided to not let it lock in 4Hi. I would use the rear locker in 4Hi in my old truck periodically but it also had 5.29 gearing and only 35" tires. It was useful in certain snow and ice conditions. Then again now that I've got ABS and all of those electronic goodies, I expect I won't need a locker in those conditions nearly as much or if at all.

It seems that backing up is a common reason for wanting 2Lo and some people also find a locker useful.

I like having the option to be in whatever configuration that I want to be in.
 

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All selectable lockers are going to be prone to going all grenade if you try to engage them with too much difference in cross axle wheel speed. It's not a vehicle speed limitation per se but a differential speed. So if you figure the maximum difference side-to-side is 5 MPH to stay under whatever torque limit it has the only way you can guarantee that is adhered to under warranty is to assume the knucklehead driver will have one wheel stuck at zero and the apparent vehicle speed is 5 MPH or less with it's opposite tire in the air, thus the factory decision is kind of made for them.
 

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I think I've got one year left on the warranty so I guess I shouldn't go completely voiding the warranty just yet 🤣
 

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Just don’t break it!

Of course reversible mods are good but not ideal if it’s a PITA…
That's why I'm not modifying the suspension until next year 🤣🤣🤣
 

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You guys know a mod that makes the third brake light flash when engine braking?

My tranny is automatic but even so I engine brake when slowing down over a longer distance. I see people behind me confused getting closer & closer until I actually use my brake. Then they realize I'm slowing down 😆 I tried tapping on my brake to manually flash my brake lights, but that got old quick.

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Making it flash wouldn't be too difficult. Doing so only when you engine brake could be. On my generation the brakes have a parallel path. One is through the brake switch like normal and a second is through a relay driven by the skid control ECU.

I'm not sure what it does but you might be able to interrupt or piggyback that to do it. Probably would require a small processor to snoop on the network to look for conditions and maybe you could drive that relay or another one. I suspect it could be put into truck's firmware if you're into hacking it.
 

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I've seen 3rd brake light flashing kits but they all seem to require the brake pedal to be pressed to activate. I suppose someone could make a module that looks at the canbus to detect when the truck is slowing down for at least X amount of time and then make the 3rd brake light flash. But I haven't seen anyone do that for the 3rd Gen yet.
 

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If making the third brake light flash is an option, that'd make sense. Downshift, then lightly step on the brake. At least it wouldn't need to be tapped to flash. I'll check it out.

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Have you begun routing wires to/from the cab to the engine bay?

Last night from Tacoma Beast I saw an in-depth for routing and building nice switch panels. Their approach seemed reasonable on pocket book. Also, included having the backlight feature be dimmable like stock switches.

Example video:
View: https://youtu.be/i5un69_YhPw?si=NBySN6tg7z8Yqgsl


I've hardly begun on the electrical side of changes. But TB's videos seemed helpful.

One critique I have for them and all other 3rd Gen Taco electrical mods: you don't have to poke a hole in main driver side boot. I don't like doing damage unless necessary. In the engine bay, a few inches to the upper left of the main boot there is a rubber plug in a ~5/8" hole in the firewall. I plan on using it when I get moving on that stuff. Just swap the rubber plug for a grommet.

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