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The accelerator pump boot from a Warner carburetor rebuild kit:

Total miles covered +/-3
Total runtime (includes stationary idling for tuning) +/- 2 hours

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Not only is the boot cracked, the top is completely separated from the rest at the top bellow. Do not recommend.

Does anyone have a spare by any chance?
 
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I finally got around to mic'ing my reams. Red marks on the fives, white with red on the quarters, and white on the halves. The pin vise that came with the reams broke the second time I mounted a ream in it, so that's on the order list if I can't find one at Ace or McGuckins. For reference if anyone is interested, the gauges and reams are all EMPI brand which is a really hit or miss aftermarket manufacturer that makes VW parts. The gauges and reams are made in Germany, so I figured it was worth a shot. Aside from the pin vise I feel good about them. I have some jets to clean up from my original set, so I'll let you know how that goes.

I got a mm micrometer for $11 +shipping. I thought it was probably a too good to be true sort of thing, and it kind of was. It's functional, but some assembly was required and it needed to be set up before it was usable. On the whole though, I'm pretty happy with it. I used my jet gauges as a stand for the micrometer and as a drying rack for the reams. Range is from .30mm to 2.00mm.

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My jet collection showed up today, and if I had my ignition setup I'd be in business! The reason you want jetting gauges is so that you know when Toyota/Aisan seems to have made all 120 mains slightly undersized, someone has reamed your new 70 power jet to 80, and you 60 slow is undersized. You want the reams to make them right.
 

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I think you're the only person in Land Cruiser-ism to do this. I could be wrong, because Jim C. works "magic" that he doesn't really share and nobody really questions him on, but he would be the only other person that I could imagine even thinking about doing this.

But I just have to ask - doesn't that make you wonder if it's really worth it? That it will really make that much of a difference? In a Land Cruiser engine? Really?

Okay, I said it. Flame suit on.
 

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Jim C gets plenty of questions, but he doesn't answer them. This is way more OCD than I'd ever be with anything other than apex strafing, but I think it's at least more interesting than a thread about air fresheners. :borg:
 
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It's very difficult to run counter to a commonly held conception without flame suits, and I hope I don't make anyone feel one is necessary.

For starters, I never concern myself with what others are doing save as examples for what NOT to do. It's a philosophy that's served me very well.

I'm just as confused (if not more so) as to why you don't pay this much attention to your vehicle as you are about why I'm paying so much. I once drove and relied on cars tuned to the same level of detail you would seem to be advocating. Eventually, I learned how to do it the rest of the way (dispelled the magic you might say) and my cars performed better and were more reliable. I enjoy the snappy response that comes from a burn with just the right air fuel ratio (and everything else being similarly in line). It's a very visceral thing; you see it, hear it, feel it, smell it, and I imagine you could taste it if you were so inclined.

A well tuned engine is a completely different animal from one that just runs (especially one that's low powered to begin with). It's not an easy thing to describe, but I'll gladly show you if you are truly interested. Otherwise you're going to either have to dismiss me or take my word for it (and who am I?).
 

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... but I think it's at least more interesting than a thread about air fresheners. :borg:

I agree, this has been fun to watch. And I want to hear this thing idle some time. :D :beer:
 

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It's very difficult to run counter to a commonly held conception without flame suits, and I hope I don't make anyone feel one is necessary.

For starters, I never concern myself with what others are doing save as examples for what NOT to do. It's a philosophy that's served me very well.

I'm just as confused (if not more so) as to why you don't pay this much attention to your vehicle as you are about why I'm paying so much. I once drove and relied on cars tuned to the same level of detail you would seem to be advocating. Eventually, I learned how to do it the rest of the way (dispelled the magic you might say) and my cars performed better and were more reliable. I enjoy the snappy response that comes from a burn with just the right air fuel ratio (and everything else being similarly in line). It's a very visceral thing; you see it, hear it, feel it, smell it, and I imagine you could taste it if you were so inclined.

A well tuned engine is a completely different animal from one that just runs (especially one that's low powered to begin with). It's not an easy thing to describe, but I'll gladly show you if you are truly interested. Otherwise you're going to either have to dismiss me or take my word for it (and who am I?).

That's a fair enough response.

For me, in your posts it seems like you don't like the way your FJ40 runs (e.g. can't get up your driveway in high range) and you're blaming it on the jetting. All the while, there are dozens of FJ40 drivers in this club and others that have no problems driving up to 10, 11, 12, or even 13,000 feet with stock (sea level) jetting and not having any real issues with doing so.

I guess you could say we don't know what we're missing, but I for one am not going to stop on the side of the road and change my jets when my day trip takes me from 5,000 feet to over 13,000 feet and back in a matter of a few hours. And that's because honestly my FJ40 doesn't seem to care.

And I can vouch that the difference in power between running only on the primary barrel of the carb and having the secondary barrel available is noticeable, but not really that huge of a difference :o:D

It seems you have other issues that need addressing that would make a larger difference, IMO, than your jetting. Ignition, timing, valve adjustment, vacuum leak, and wobbly distributor come to mind from your posts. I think you've fixed a couple of these, but a couple are still up for grabs. I guess my approach to fixing problems is picking the low-hanging fruit first, and then if I still want to optimize and have the time, that can always come later.

Each of us gets into this hobby for our own reasons, and I'm really not trying to take away from what you have a passion for, which appears to be working on and tweaking carburetors, but I just don't understand why you aren't going after the low-hanging fruit first - why you're immediately going after jetting, which just isn't an issue with very many other FJ40 owners (in my experience, which admittedly is limited).

And I'm also really curious as to what other experienced Cruiser gearheads in this club think, because hardly any of them have posted up on this discussion. I'm still trying to learn too :)

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And I think you misunderstand me when you state that I don't pay attention to my vehicle. The thing is I have been chasing my tail with my FJ40 for 8 years, and while honestly I have thought about doing what you are talking about doing with optimizing the jetting, the reality is that there are too many other pressing issues that I've needed to deal with first. My plugs are fine when I pull them, so I don't feel pressed to fix what ain't broke. But I got plenty of other broke on my FJ40 and I am pressed to fix those issues :hill:
 

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It's very difficult to run counter to a commonly held conception without flame suits, and I hope I don't make anyone feel one is necessary.

For starters, I never concern myself with what others are doing save as examples for what NOT to do. It's a philosophy that's served me very well.

I'm just as confused (if not more so) as to why you don't pay this much attention to your vehicle as you are about why I'm paying so much. I once drove and relied on cars tuned to the same level of detail you would seem to be advocating. >snip<


If you post play by play on a forum you should expect questions from armchair mechanics! Fuel your passion and experiment fully committed! I gave up trying to share a long time ago as all forums will drain you. 2F's respond extremely well to common "free" horsepower tricks of the trade! Enjoy......what a fun project! :thumb::thumb:
 

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Thank you Kevin! I agree this has been the most interesting thread on this forum for a while!
 

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... And I'm also really curious as to what other experienced Cruiser gearheads in this club think, because hardly any of them have posted up on this discussion. I'm still trying to learn too :) ...

I've found the thread intresting to follow. I'm really looking forward to the jetting and tuning aspects. Fact is my, "learning list" still has a project that would involve comparing Aisan, Webber, Rochester, Holly, Motocraft carbs. Install a carb, run it on a loop up Hwy 85 to Greeley, out Hwy 34 to Estes down Hwy 36 to home - swap carb and repeat. This project is the primary reason I picked up the Zeitronix unit. What would be the purpose, what would I learn from the exercise? I dunno - but it would be a cool thing to do :D.

I can also understand where there may be a feeling that re-jetting now doesn't seem like the "next thing that should be done" versus "tune it up", "baseline it", "check compression", "leak down test", etc. should be next.

More to the specifics of the truck in this thread. The lack of power might be coming from other issue(s) than the Carb and jetting, i.e. a dead cylinder, head gasket failure, worn dizzy shaft, vacuum leak - things that would be identified by following the tune up steps in the FSM.

That said, if tuning the jets is next on the list -go for it. Worst case the jetting gets revisted.

All that said, underlying everything we need to keep in mind that we are talking about a tractor engine in 40 year old vehicle that most of us don't drive faster than 70 for longer than a few minutes at a time. :thumb:
 
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Based on the responses since last night, I must have left a few things out along the way or not been very good at communicating my thoughts. I haven't fully had it running yet. When I picked it up, it hadn't really been run in several years and had been mostly disassembled for some shade tree body work. You guys are absolutely right that there are things more important to the overall running condition of the truck than carburetor jetting, and you'll not hear me argue otherwise. That said, a properly tuned carb is about as important as a properly set distributor in my book.

You may notice that I haven't actually done any carb tuning yet because I haven't done all of the things you collectively described above yet. The lack of power was due in no small part to retarded timing, and I expect to find at least one tight exhaust valve. I think I fixed my vacuum leak, but my fuel pump died while I was tracking it down so I had to stop and fix that (my fuel system save the hard lines is now completely new or rebuilt)... Then my coil died before I could make sure it was totally rectified (ignition system will be nearly to the same level as the fuel system)... Now I have to wait until the end of next week to install that (the seller was out of stock without realizing it, and Pertronix had to MAKE one).

The current order of operation is as follows:
- Figure out why the transfer case shifter won't come out of four wheel drive
-- Rectify
- Install new ignition setup
-- Set timing
-- Check to make sure everything else is in spec (mainly dwell since the rest probably won't spec out right being aftermarket...)
- Make sure the vacuum leak is, in fact, fully rectified
-- If not, I think the next culpable part is the vacuum check valve boot, so I'll have to order one of those little bastards
- Warm it up and adjust the valves (the new gasket is sitting on my coffee table)
- Baseline the carb
-- Factory jetting
-- Idle mixture
-- Idle speed
- Drive the truck up to where I can reach it with electricity so I can drill out the sheared bolts and install the bezel, windshield washer system, and DS jump seat
- Inspection, registration
- Tires
-- See if I can swap the spare aftermarket wheel out at Jim's for one that fully matches first
- Windshield
- Windshield wipers
- Tune carb
-- Check and record performance of factory sea level jets
-- Ditto factory altitude jets
-- Fine tune old school (unless I can get my hands on a wide band setup in the meantime)
-- Document for posterity

You'll note that fine tuning the carb is at the very end of everything. Mic'ing out reams and tracking down jets is a great way to feel like I'm doing something while I'm waiting for other parts to come in, and clearly something that isn't widely known in the TLC universe. If you discount my wife's car, this is my newest car out of three by more than a decade and a half (and a few years later than what I generally entertain) and I will undoubtedly go through many more in the coming years, so the reams and gauges aren't solely for this project. I bought a set corresponding to this project because jets for these carbs are NLA and doing so is cheaper than the plane ticket that would be required to utilize the set I would have in the past. I still need to get another pin vise (ordered last night) and a bunch of ultra fine drill bits to be able to plug and ream what I have (which I intend to write up for those interested). The 70 power jet I just received has been punched out to an 80, so I'll close it up and ream it to a true 70 for tutorial purposes.

I come from a different end of the automotive hobby. As I've said in the past, aircooled cars are very sensitive to tune. You'll never hear someone bragging about setting their timing by ear because they will have burned up their engine as a result and have to rebuild. Run too lean: 5hp may not seem like much until you only have 50 to start with, valves burn very fast, cylinders melt, studs pull, flanges warp... welcome to rebuild town. Run too rich: (same general concept as running too lean), rebuild. Too much timing: you get the idea. If you drive an aircooled car, you learn to hear what your engine is telling you. You either must learn to do all your own work (which is more fun anyway), or you must have an enormous bank account (especially for the Porsches) and incredible patience. Cars are like women: aircooled cars are beautiful, complex, and a little high maintenance, but if you take care of them they'll take care of you. These trucks are nowhere near as needy, but they definitely enjoy the attention all the same.

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Others of my hobbies include watchmaking and luthiery (which may explain some of my automotive eccentricities). I can hear the differences in how a guitar is built and what it is made of from a single strummed chord. Those tonal nuances are just as apparent in a car's engine. I can hear when something is off and I can hear when it's just right (and it bugs the crap out of me when it's not). When I was out shopping for cars, I found a guy's exhaust leak (missing exhaust manifold stud on the rearmost DS cylinder) on his V8 by sound after driving the truck for less than a quarter mile. We pulled over, lifted the hood, and there it was (or rather wasn't). Assuming everything else is dialed in, there is an acute tonal difference between a properly tuned carb (sharper, more staccato, and with more defined higher order harmonics) and one that's off on either end (duller, muddier, less defined; I'm guessing it has to do with the smoothness and/or completeness of the burn, maybe the speed of it?). There are other things that hint at other maladies, but this is getting way off into weirdo land... Maybe I'll make more sense if/when you meet me in person.
 

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I hope that's a positive thing. Challenging paradigms is rarely well received, and I've been getting a bit nervous.

I'm also a bit curious at what is being found interesting (and a bit flattered that there is such interest in the first place). I haven't been terribly good about photos to this point in part because I'm not sure what exactly is interesting to this crowd. So far (from my perspective anyway) there hasn't been anything that strikes me as very out of the box or that wouldn't have been seen too many times to be worth looking at again. I'm more than happy to chase a rabbit further down its hole if there is interest in the subject.

I just came in from gathering up tools for tomorrow's disassembly of LoudBay's 60 and troubleshooting my sticky transfer case shifter. Linkage checked out from above and below. A little persuasion with the backside of my crescent wrench and some rocking back and forth (it's in a low spot and I can't get it to actually roll) and it went back into two wheel drive. It seems to shift readily enough now. I still don't know why it stuck in the first place, so I'll have to keep an eye on it... The boots down there are toast, so I see a rebuild in the near future.
 
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FWIW - I am enjoying this thread and all the carb theory talk a great deal.
I usually just have time to read a post or two and then it is on to the next issue at hand, and I seldom have enough wisdom/insight to warrant a post.
It does seem like your efforts have been thwarted by things like fuel pumps and distributors, so I look forward to when you get things running and set about the tuning aspect.
Also, I can relate to the behavior of buying things when you are stuck to make you feel like you are making progress. That is why I hae lots of parts, and 2 unfinished Cruisers!
 

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Maybe it was already mentioned but be sure the check the vac diaphram that operates the secondary barrel of the carb. When the diapram fails, the truck runs but is low on power because the secondary barrel never opens.
 
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Met a bunch of Rising Sun guys today at Tim's house in Louisville to pull apart Matt's 60. Great bunch of guys, great work ethic, got a lot done, and had a lot of fun! Really looking forward to future get togethers and workdays!
 
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DanS, I used to work in experimental feedstocks for the largest biodiesel refinery in the US. Long term I intend to put a 1HZ in this truck.

Update (if it can be called one): The ignition parts I need finally shipped today... Not thrilled with the seller. The pin vise I ordered shipped today as well (far less critical). Hopefully I can be running in time to get the gov't paperwork done before the weekend and actually start driving this thing. I did some legwork today to track down a windshield. Success was found at what I deem a reasonable price. I just reinstalled the carb after my writeup... That's about all there is to report. Pretty lame if you ask me...
 
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