so who's ordering a Rivian?

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@powderpig Hey Robbie that is funny you bumped this up, I forgot I started this thread! So I'll confess I've been hanging out with @mcgaskins too much lately, and I put a deposit in for one. Went for the truck, and the 400 mile range, so I've got a full year or more still to think about it, and save up! Kind of excited though. You should be a service dealer for them.
 

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Well I found out my in-laws are getting a Rivian in Sept(if the release happens on time)they put a deposit on one of the first to come off
the line. Yes they can afford it. Be fun to try it out when it get here. I believe they are getting the SUV, not the truck.

I think you will be very impressed! I hope to have one to show to club members later this year as well, and I think the SUV will offer a lot of the same features and capabilities as our Cruisers. Can't wait!
 

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You're fired, Dave. :rant:
You can almost hear the water cooler talk at Toyota corporate, can't you?

"We're at risk of losing the complain all the time about everything we do enthusiast club demographic."

"Better spool up a team on an EV truck design, Melvin!"

"Why? They'll only buy one in 20 years used."
 

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Pretty sure I'm good here, still own and drive a 40, 60, and 2 Lexusisisisisissss... none of which have any plans to go anywhere.. and heck 2 of my rigs are solid front axle, if anyone's on the bubble it's you, Dave.
 

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Pretty sure I'm good here, still own and drive a 40, 60, and 2 Lexusisisisisissss... none of which have any plans to go anywhere.. and heck 2 of my rigs are solid front axle, if anyone's on the bubble it's you, Dave.
My rate of replacement puts me in the market in 2032 for a 7 to 9 year old truck. I got the 1991 in 2000 at 100k and it went to Martin in 2015 when I bought the Taco. By 2032 (when the Taco turns 25, which I have a feeling it won't make like Imelda did) I probably won't even be able to buy an internal combustion engine anymore and maybe not a truck. I will, no doubt, still have the WilderNest though. I'm not in a position to have more than one truck so when I spend more time turning wrenches than driving it's gots to go. But I have zero, nada, zilch interest in an EV. Meh. I dunno what to do.
 
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My rate of replacement puts me in the market in 2032 for a 7 to 9 year old truck. I got the 1991 in 2000 at 100k and it went to Martin in 2015 when I bought the Taco. By 2032 (when the Taco turns 25, which I have a feeling it won't make like Imelda did) I probably won't even be able to buy an internal combustion engine anymore and maybe not a truck. I will, no doubt, still have the WilderNest though. I'm not in a position to have more than one truck so when I spend more time turning wrenches than driving it's gots to go. But I have zero, nada, zilch interest in an EV. Meh. I dunno what to do.


I don't have interest in EV's because to be frank, the infrastructure is far away. If Rivian acts like Tesla at all when it comes to repairs you won't be allowed to do anything besides change the wheel on it. The idea of ownership with Tesla and electric cars in general is that you can't be trusted to work on something you literally own.
 

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Bill Burke was talking about them at the Trail Leader Training as he had done some testing on them. To me they sounded amazing! I don't do a ton of road trips so for me the 400 miles would be more than enough. I just love the idea of creeping through the woods silent and stealthy. I have only wheeled 40 series so they are a lot louder than the average modern day truck.
 

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Well I found out my in-laws are getting a Rivian in Sept(if the release happens on time)they put a deposit on one of the first to come off
the line. Yes they can afford it. Be fun to try it out when it get here. I believe they are getting the SUV, not the truck.
A friend of mine in the South Park has an order fir a Rivian truck. He’s a contractor, and he just hauls an S850 on a trailer around 30-40 miles a day. He’s most excited about the instant heat though.

I’ve said it before: If Toyota made an all electric 70 series, the only reason they wouldn’t be sold here is the safety standards, as an EV would conveniently avoid the emissions game. And I would be on my way to a dealer immediately to buy one. A new one. I’d seriously consider two. One to drive, and one to charge.

Once I’m occupying my house, on an average day the batteries should be to full charge by about 10AM, and I’d love to put the rest of that energy into a vehicle (or two). But I need the vehicle to handle my road, and that means a real truck if it’s expected to last much more than a year or two. C’mon 70 series EV!!!

(I will consider a rivian too, but my preference....)

Dan
 

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Are these EV manufacturers offering to upgrade your service? Our house is old and I only have a 100A service, which would mean if I was to want to utilize an overnight charge I couldn't dry laundry or use the oven at the same time if I wanted to keep on the fridge or any lights or the computer, too.

Not to mention our main source of power in the region, the Craig generating station (1,280 MW, second largest station in the state after Comanche and about 10% of our overall capacity, which is about 16,600 MW with 75% of that being coal and gas that is available 24/7/365 for base load), is being shut down several years early to meet the governor's emissions mandates.

Comanche is slated to decommission one of their units this year or next. That takes 300 MW offline. Hayden will be closed (440 MW) by 2028. That'll leave only Rifle (85 MW gas), Blue Mesa (86 MW) and Morrow Point (173 MW hydro) as really significant sources between Denver and the state line. With Glen Canyon (1,312 MW) close to the point where it's no longer generating power we're going to be screwed.

Hydro right now is questionable due to snow pack. Both Powell and Mead are only near 40% of capacity and predictions are putting 2021 at a 53% of average inflow, which would require a lot of the stored water going downstream such that Glen Canyon wouldn't generate any power as soon as 2022. At least if we honor the Compact obligations and want AZ and CA to grow us food all year.

By 2030 there'll be essentially no coal generation in Colorado, which is 45% of our power right now (gas is 30%). When that's taken off line we'll need to replace 25,000 GW-hr of annual power generation (we generated 56,337 GW-hr total in 2019). Gas production and supply has been targeted as bad this year, don't you know. The Craig station can generate about 11,200 GW-hr alone.

Solar is 2% of Colorado's generation and makes up a tiny bit of the annual generation due to being dark half the day. Wind is 19% and can't be relied upon for consistent power every day, every hour. Incidentally Texas was only 17% wind and look at what one good storm did to them. They're only 19% coal, 53% gas.

St Vrain is the largest gas plant in Colorado and it's only 969 MW and Cherokee's 928 MW was already converted to gas (this used to be a coal plant). We need to add four St. Vrains in the next few years, but just one took about 10 years to build to it's current point. It was originally a nuclear plant that was decommissioned in the late 1980s and refitted, so they didn't even have to start from zero with new permits and environmental studies. Even if they could build them we'd have to more than double the supply of natural gas. But Congress just took one potential location (the 200,000 acres up on Thompson Divide) off the table and stopped a major pipeline that could have imported it from Canada.

So where's the power going to come from for this attempt to fast track EVs? By next year we're going to lucky just to keep the lights on at all, never mind adding a bunch of cars charging from the grid that's already really shaky and bursting at the seams. We need to replace a total of 4,464 MW of coal generation by 2030 (e.g. 27% of the generating capacity that's doing almost half the work annually). That's two Hoover Dams (but not actually since the Colorado is already plugged and over allocated by at least 30%) just for our state.

Eventually we're going to run out of other people's backyards for electrical production (like Wyoming who isn't nearly as aggressive about retiring their coal plants, which are 85% of their capacity). Utah will shut down their few coal plants all by 2042, which is 65% of their current capacity. So they're not going to be exporting power.
 
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Dave I thought the gas fired plants in TX were not winterized which affected their capacity when the NG wouldn’t flow.
I wonder if Tesla already knows this and is anticipating selling roof solar arrays for homes to meet some of the charging demand?
 
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