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so who's ordering a Rivian?

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Sandy Munro has been an American auto industry and manufacturing expert since the 1970s. He has become world famous from his tear down analysis of new cars to see how they're made and check quality and has been a vocal critic of Tesla quality. His opinion is about as well researched and respected as they come, and he has interesting things to say about the future.

 

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Sandy Munro has been an American auto industry and manufacturing expert since the 1970s. He has become world famous from his tear down analysis of new cars to see how they're made and check quality and has been a vocal critic of Tesla quality. His opinion is about as well researched and respected as they come, and he has interesting things to say about the future.


I just watched the first half of the video. I have no love for the US OEMs. And I think the Chinese will do well, but much of their "innovation" was / is based on stolen intellectual property under the guise of the Indiginous Innovation laws. I have done a lot of business in China and seen first hand how this works.
 

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I just watched the first half of the video. I have no love for the US OEMs. And I think the Chinese will do well, but much of their "innovation" was / is based on stolen intellectual property under the guise of the Indiginous Innovation laws. I have done a lot of business in China and seen first hand how this works.
Yes. China literally has no ethical standard for intellectual property. And to be honest the businesses that do business in China know this and still choose to use china as a manufacturing hub because, cheap labor.
 

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Sandy is super talented, its fun to listen to him. I like some of his older interviews on the Tesla too - "They put this sealer here, don't need it though. They seam welded these panels, they could have tack welded it for the same result."

He also speaks pretty objectively about Tesla - he points out all these areas they could improve but he also seems to have a lot of respect for what they are managing to do in such a short time frame. He acknowledged in his 2012 interview that while they were being super critical of the Model S, his team (even after months with the car) still didn't know how a lot of it worked. He mentioned they were astounded with the power of the motors and couldn't figure them out. He wanted to reserve the right to be wrong with some of the analysis because they just didn't know why everything was done the way it was. I think he just was saying some positive stuff about the autopilot as well.

It's crazy to think that Ford has a 100 year head start on Tesla and the fastest car they've ever made wont beat a model X. My new F150 had 40k on it when the transmission went out and it took Ford over 40 days to source and put a new one in. This technology is crazy, but I hope we get better at making it at scale because the Chinese just keep coopting everything we build and they have the infrastructure to make it.
 

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An interesting tie-in on energy. In this case we on the western slope are getting stuck paying dearly for the inability for power companies to adapt to the deep freeze in February in part stemming from their inability to find natural gas at an economical price to run the generating stations. This will impact both our electrical bills and fuel cost for heat/cooking/dryers.

 
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An interesting tie-in on energy. In this case we on the western slope are getting stuck paying dearly for the inability for power companies to adapt to the deep freeze in February in part stemming from their inability to find natural gas at an economical price to run the generating stations. This will impact both our electrical bills and fuel cost for heat/cooking/dryers.

This was talked about years ago when they past that stupid legislation. And the worst part is it was predicted this would happen. But it's ok because we are saving something... I'm just not sure what.
 

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The same guy that wrote the article above (Michael Booth) also wrote the article below a few weeks prior detailing the $210m in additional profits the gas companies brought in during that cold snap.

Looks to me like the gas companies are price gouging rural customers and simultaneously blaming the state (who is currently investigating them for said pricing) and also blaming co-ops that increase consumer buying power to get lower rates. Which are both convenient if you want to distract from padding executive salaries by jacking up energy bills on folks in areas who don't have larger organized co-ops.

 

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The same guy that wrote the article above (Michael Booth) also wrote the article below a few weeks prior detailing the $210m in additional profits the gas companies brought in during that cold snap.

Looks to me like the gas companies are price gouging rural customers and simultaneously blaming the state (who is currently investigating them for said pricing) and also blaming co-ops that increase consumer buying power to get lower rates. Which are both convenient if you want to distract from padding executive salaries by jacking up energy bills on folks in areas who don't have larger organized co-ops.

I'm only getting up to speed on what's happening after becoming aware of it on our bills. It does seem to be more a question of politics and maybe greed than strictly a technical or economic problem. They seem to understand that the various states' PUCs are probably going to limit how much they can wallpaper over in regular rate increases and surcharges so they're getting as much from customers without as much leverage while they still can.
 

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i'm sure they'll all be getting raises soon
 

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I'm only getting up to speed on what's happening after becoming aware of it on our bills. It does seem to be more a question of politics and maybe greed than strictly a technical or economic problem. They seem to understand that the various states' PUCs are probably going to limit how much they can wallpaper over in regular rate increases and surcharges so they're getting as much from customers without as much leverage while they still can.

Absolutely. I saw this price gouging and am really interested in seeing what the investigation reveals.
 

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from their inability to find natural gas at an economical price to run the generating stations

So how do we 'store' natural gas (or any fuel) for cold times? No one could 'find' cheap natural gas! It used to be done with coal. Fleeing coal at top speed (as is currently the trend here in Colo Springs) and elsewhere will have expensive consequences.

My REA cooperative said they ran 'fuel oil' in their dual-fuel generators during the cold snap to reduce their exposure to high priced natural gas. I wonder when the greenies will decide they can't allow that and have a statewide referendum wherein Californians will reflexively vote to ban fuel oil, along with everything else.

During the next cold snap, I plan to turn down my furnace and run the crap out of my wood stove. I just got notice of a $556 surcharge from Black Hills Energy on my nat'l gas bill that will be applied to my bill over the next 2 years.
 

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So how do we 'store' natural gas (or any fuel) for cold times?
Gas is stored in tanks of course, but also they pump it back into mined salt caverns and in depleted gas or oil fields or water aquifers that have been drawn down.
 

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So hyped! EV West is converting a 4runner rock crawler to electric.

 

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@mcgaskins Since you are the resident Rivain guy, Can you fit larger tires on these? Whats the flex like on a rivian? Do you think its will replace your 200 series?
 

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I wonder if someone is going to start doing Fj40 conversions or ICON starts selling EV 40's
 
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