Corona Virus Panic

[BritKLR]

Seeing this shows that people have no concern for others or the communities they travel to. I have to say that when this is all over and we are looking back at this situation, it will be very interesting on how I interpret the government, how I interpret society, and western values as a whole. That isn't to say that I'm against any of these things, but I must say that I'm journaling some of my thoughts day to day so I can track my own thoughts. I have been completely taken aback at the misinformation people choose to listen to, how they justify what they will do and won't do. In short, humans are worse than cats.

So true....The mountain open space parks and trails are being hit hard by the front range crowds since everyone is “quarantined“ and “working remotely”. We hike 3-5 times per week since we live minutes away from several trails. I have no problem with people using their parks but, what is driving me nuts is the crappy dog owners. Dogs will be dogs and do what dogs do that’s why there’s a reason for leash laws and dog crap bag pickup for the humans to follow. leash your dogs and pack out it’s little doggy bag of crap that you leave on the side of the trail!....at least a cat stays home.

 

[DouglasVB]

what is driving me nuts is the crappy dog owners.

I see absolutely nothing has changed since we moved back west four years ago

 

[DaveInDenver]

DOJ seeks new emergency powers amid coronavirus pandemic

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

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In one of the documents, the department proposed that Congress grant the attorney general power to ask the chief judge of any district court to pause court proceedings “whenever the district court is fully or partially closed by virtue of any natural disaster, civil disobedience, or other emergency situation.”​

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The proposal would also grant those top judges broad authority to pause court proceedings during emergencies. It would apply to “any statutes or rules of procedure otherwise affecting pre-arrest, post-arrest, pre-trial, trial, and post-trial procedures in criminal and juvenile proceedings and all civil process and proceedings,” according to draft legislative language the department shared with Congress. In making the case for the change, the DOJ wrote that individual judges can currently pause proceedings during emergencies but that their proposal would make sure all judges in any particular district could handle emergencies “in a consistent manner.”​

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The request raised eyebrows because of its potential implications for habeas corpus — the constitutional right to appear before a judge after arrest and seek release.​

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“Not only would it be a violation of that, but it says ‘affecting pre-arrest,’” said Norman L. Reimer, executive director of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. “So that means you could be arrested and never brought before a judge until they decide that the emergency or the civil disobedience is over. I find it absolutely terrifying. Especially in a time of emergency, we should be very careful about granting new powers to the government.”​

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Reimer said the possibility of chief judges suspending all court rules during an emergency without a clear end in sight was deeply disturbing.​

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“That is something that should not happen in a democracy,” he said.​

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The department also asked Congress to pause the statute of limitations for criminal investigations and civil proceedings during national emergencies, “and for one year following the end of the national emergency,” according to the draft legislative text.​

 

[3rdGen4R]

DOJ seeks new emergency powers amid coronavirus pandemic

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

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In one of the documents, the department proposed that Congress grant the attorney general power to ask the chief judge of any district court to pause court proceedings “whenever the district court is fully or partially closed by virtue of any natural disaster, civil disobedience, or other emergency situation.”​

​

The proposal would also grant those top judges broad authority to pause court proceedings during emergencies. It would apply to “any statutes or rules of procedure otherwise affecting pre-arrest, post-arrest, pre-trial, trial, and post-trial procedures in criminal and juvenile proceedings and all civil process and proceedings,” according to draft legislative language the department shared with Congress. In making the case for the change, the DOJ wrote that individual judges can currently pause proceedings during emergencies but that their proposal would make sure all judges in any particular district could handle emergencies “in a consistent manner.”​

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The request raised eyebrows because of its potential implications for habeas corpus — the constitutional right to appear before a judge after arrest and seek release.​

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“Not only would it be a violation of that, but it says ‘affecting pre-arrest,’” said Norman L. Reimer, executive director of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. “So that means you could be arrested and never brought before a judge until they decide that the emergency or the civil disobedience is over. I find it absolutely terrifying. Especially in a time of emergency, we should be very careful about granting new powers to the government.”​

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Reimer said the possibility of chief judges suspending all court rules during an emergency without a clear end in sight was deeply disturbing.​

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“That is something that should not happen in a democracy,” he said.​

​

The department also asked Congress to pause the statute of limitations for criminal investigations and civil proceedings during national emergencies, “and for one year following the end of the national emergency,” according to the draft legislative text.​

I read that this morning. I’m not a big fan of the gov’t getting new powers under crisis. To many examples of how they never give them back.

 

[BritKLR]

DOJ seeks new emergency powers amid coronavirus pandemic

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

​

In one of the documents, the department proposed that Congress grant the attorney general power to ask the chief judge of any district court to pause court proceedings “whenever the district court is fully or partially closed by virtue of any natural disaster, civil disobedience, or other emergency situation.”​

​

The proposal would also grant those top judges broad authority to pause court proceedings during emergencies. It would apply to “any statutes or rules of procedure otherwise affecting pre-arrest, post-arrest, pre-trial, trial, and post-trial procedures in criminal and juvenile proceedings and all civil process and proceedings,” according to draft legislative language the department shared with Congress. In making the case for the change, the DOJ wrote that individual judges can currently pause proceedings during emergencies but that their proposal would make sure all judges in any particular district could handle emergencies “in a consistent manner.”​

​

The request raised eyebrows because of its potential implications for habeas corpus — the constitutional right to appear before a judge after arrest and seek release.​

​

“Not only would it be a violation of that, but it says ‘affecting pre-arrest,’” said Norman L. Reimer, executive director of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. “So that means you could be arrested and never brought before a judge until they decide that the emergency or the civil disobedience is over. I find it absolutely terrifying. Especially in a time of emergency, we should be very careful about granting new powers to the government.”​

​

Reimer said the possibility of chief judges suspending all court rules during an emergency without a clear end in sight was deeply disturbing.​

​

“That is something that should not happen in a democracy,” he said.​

​

The department also asked Congress to pause the statute of limitations for criminal investigations and civil proceedings during national emergencies, “and for one year following the end of the national emergency,” according to the draft legislative text.​

What a bunch of gobble goock.....as usual the Feds are years behind the state and local systems. (I also like that they never clearly explain this only applies to the federal courts) State and Local Senior Circuit /Senior Municipal Judges already have the ability to address these issues (courthouse floods=court canceled or arrangements made, video arraignment = already done, etc..)

Not only would it be a violation of that, but it says ‘affecting pre-arrest,’” said Norman L. Reimer, executive director of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. “So that means you could be arrested and never brought before a judge until they decide that the emergency or the civil disobedience is over. I find it absolutely terrifying. Especially in a time of emergency, we should be very careful about granting new powers to the government.”

I really love this one! “Pre-arrest” means by their expert “so that means you could be arrested and never brought before a judge.........”
What the? Who the? I’m sorry but, in 20 years of presenting criminal cases in federal court I have never had or heard of a pre-arrest = arrest hearing, court hearing, etc......An arrest is an arrest, not even sure what a pre-arrest federal hearing/judicial hearing, meeting is.....Do I call the drug cartel king pin and ask him to fly up from from bogota on Friday for a pre-arrest meeting before I arrest him?......

Also, given the reality of how tight and regulated a federal case is as it goes through the federal judicial process, giving a little latitude would make sense otherwise a significant number of cases will get kicked due to not making mandatory procedural guidelines......again, this would only apply to federal cases, which in the big picture is not that many in comparison to state and local courts.

 

[Rzeppa]

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56 interesting read. I hope what the author says related to Chart 13 is true is that weeks not months are required with the hammer response

this is linked in the article and a source for its data
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/im...-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Man that Hammer and Dance Article was a long read, but well worth it. Thanks for sharing that Ken!

 

[DouglasVB]

Tillamook County in Oregon has closed to outsiders including all state and federal land:

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EDIT:

Tillamook State Forest with a good network of fun trails is within Tillamook County. A lot of folks go 4x4ing there from the greater PDX Metro area. When we've been out there, we've come across multiple situations where someone was injured and the sheriff responded first to find the location before an ambulance or a helicopter came in to scoop someone up. Makes sense to keep non-residents off the trails so the county can deal with other higher priority stuff right now.

 

[BritKLR]

What a bunch of gobble goock.....as usual the Feds are years behind the state and local systems. (I also like that they never clearly explain this only applies to the federal courts) State and Local Senior Circuit /Senior Municipal Judges already have the ability to address these issues (courthouse floods=court canceled or arrangements made, video arraignment = already done, etc..)



I really love this one! “Pre-arrest” means by their expert “so that means you could be arrested and never brought before a judge.........”
What the? Who the? I’m sorry but, in 20 years of presenting criminal cases in federal court I have never had or heard of a pre-arrest = arrest hearing, court hearing, etc......An arrest is an arrest, not even sure what a pre-arrest federal hearing/judicial hearing, meeting is.....Do I call the drug cartel king pin and ask him to fly up from from bogota on Friday for a pre-arrest meeting before I arrest him?......

Also, given the reality of how tight and regulated a federal case is as it goes through the federal judicial process, giving a little latitude would make sense otherwise a significant number of cases will get kicked due to not making mandatory procedural guidelines......again, this would only apply to federal cases, which in the big picture is not that many in comparison to state and local courts.

Ok, this “pre-arrest” comment/issue/concern by a national expert really intrigued me. So, I go back and do some research and find that it is based on a defense appeal argument (Ross vs United State 1968) that law enforcement took too long to arrest their client and therefore that delay to arrest (7 months) resulted evidence (evidence provided by the suspect, not LE evidence) being lost that could have been used in his defense......nothing about being arrested and a delay being brought before the court! Again, has nothing to do with being arrested and not getting before a judge due to an emergency!!

BTW, in the real world, and as your going through criminal investigations training its known as “the lazy detective defense“ meaning, if you take too long to work your case, the suspect can actually claim he lost evidence of his innocences and therefore your delay to arrest him resulted in him not being able to properly defend himself.....again, in reality modern case management, supervision, training, statute of limitation, caseload, public scrutiny, open records, internet, social media, etc....really doesn’t allow for this type of lazy behavior. On going U/C or longterm complex investigation’s are a different issue and require ongoing consultations with the D/A, AUSA, etc....

 

[Stuckinthe80s]

Meow I guess. I was buying cat food the other day and I told the lady behind me that since there was no human food left I was starting to fatten up the cats. Made her kid cry. Wrong crowd for dark sarcasm I suppose.

I think I ate cat once at a Puerto Rican strip joint. The lady cooking it said that the meat on the shish-ka-bob skewers was chicken but it didn't look or taste like chicken. Still pretty tasty though!

 

[Stuckinthe80s]

another good article...

https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-is-nothing-like-the-spanish-flu/

 

[DouglasVB]

Oregon is now on a state-wide stay at home order: https://govsite-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/jkAULYKcSh6DoDF8wBM0_EO 20-12.pdf

 

[kurtnkegger]

I think I ate cat once at a Puerto Rican strip joint.

Taken out of context makes you sound like a very naughty boy.

 

[DaveInDenver]

Taken out of context makes you sound like a very naughty boy.

It's probably true regardless of context.

 

[DouglasVB]

So in addition to New Zealand and several other countries that have shut down in the last couple days, South Africa is actively shutting down right now:

EDIT: I was supposed to be in South Africa for work in July. Somehow I don't expect that trip will be happening. Just like a canceled trip this spring to Spain and another cancelled trip in early summer to Hungary.

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Second EDIT: The governor of Oregon is straight up calling out all the people who overwhelmed coastal and rural communities this past weekend as to why the State of Oregon is doing what it's doing today.

I started by asking Oregonians to stay home and practice social distancing. Then I urged the public to follow these recommendations. Instead, thousands crowded the beaches of our coastal communities, our trails, our parks, and our city streets, potentially spreading COVID-19 and endangering the lives of others across the state. Now, I’m ordering it. To save lives and protect our community.

 

[Inukshuk]

Just now Mayor Hancock issued stay at home Denver till April 10th

He blamed all the park users this past weekend.

 

[gungriffin]

Just now Mayor Hancock issued stay at home Denver till April 10th

He blamed all the park users this past weekend.

It does allow for exercise, grocery store visits and pharmacy visits. I am guessing that it will be similar to San Francisco where they will ticket people who are gathering in groups or not maintaining the 6 foot distancing.

 

[DouglasVB]

people who are gathering in groups or not maintaining the 6 foot distancing.

Literally the reason why we can't have nice things.

 

[gungriffin]

They have been planning this for a little while. I have someone that I know who works at a Safeway who was given a paper on Sunday and requested to keep in on their person when they were going to work. It isn't an official government paper, but reads like something a corporate attorney would have drafted that explains their position in a essential business.

It is interesting that they are listing liquor stores and rec. marijuana are considered non essential. My alcoholic Uncle might argue that liquor stores aren't non essential.

 

[DaveInDenver]

They have been planning this for a little while. I have someone that I know who works at a Safeway who was given a paper on Sunday and requested to keep in on their person when they were going to work. It isn't an official government paper, but reads like something a corporate attorney would have drafted that explains their position in a essential business.

It is interesting that they are listing liquor stores and rec. marijuana are considered non essential. My alcoholic Uncle might argue that liquor stores aren't non essential.

The alcohol dulls the pain of being unemployed and hungry.

 

[gungriffin]

The alcohol dulls the pain of being unemployed and hungry.

Ha ha agreed. Also, ask ANY military organizer about morale and I believe they would agree that it is a poor choice to get rid of simple pleasures that distract people from the stress of this situation. Especially given all the extra time that people aren't used to having. To me, these would include rec. marijuana and alcohol.