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Cruisertrash

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The SUWA business partner page seems like a whole lot of small businesses. I don’t see any huge corporations with deep pockets. Adding up all the donors and assuming a $10000 donation from each of them in the $1000+ level, that’s about $100000 - not much compared to their yearly income. Maybe the clipboard people round up $8.9 million standing outside of grocery stores or wherever. There are probably large private donors as well, and that’s what I’m interested in finding out … beyond “it’s all connected”. Like actually finding out.
 

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Here's the complete list that REI donates to. SUWA is not on the list.
i'll have to check out this new coop fund and see if it's a new version of their philanthropic fund. i haven't looked into it since they got rid of shitzke who actively donated to anti ohv organizations and served on the boards. because it's a few years old, it's hard to find info, but i found this quickly

"REI is an active investor in the growing body of research establishing the link between health and nature. REI has already invested more than $1 million into efforts by the UW, Sierra Club, UC Berkeley's Greater Good Science Center, UCSF Benioff Children's Hospital's Center for Nature and Health, and the Oregon Public Health Institute to understand how time outside impacts anxiety levels, ability to focus, childhood development, happiness and other health factors."
 

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Here's the complete list that REI donates to. SUWA is not on the list.
Huh. that list appears to be a lot of organizations who help folks with special needs, etc. All seems positive to me, not seeing where REI does something to support anti motorized access? What did I miss here..
 

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The SUWA business partner page seems like a whole lot of small businesses. I don’t see any huge corporations with deep pockets. Adding up all the donors and assuming a $10000 donation from each of them in the $1000+ level, that’s about $100000 - not much compared to their yearly income. Maybe the clipboard people round up $8.9 million standing outside of grocery stores or wherever. There are probably large private donors as well, and that’s what I’m interested in finding out … beyond “it’s all connected”. Like actually finding out.
don't look for big business...look for their ceo's and other high end execs. easier for the companies to keep their hands clean
 

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how quickly everyone forgets the who's who list of outdoor companies led by the outdoor industry association, whose vice chairman is eric artz, current ceo of rei, that tried to get the greater canyonlands act passed a few terms ago. thankfully they failed or moab would have been shut down to mechanized used years ago.
 

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SUWA's annual budget (for 2022) was a little more than $4 million. Their assets are in the range of about $22 million total which includes an endowment (about $3 million), equity investments (about $16 million) and annually about $3.5 million in donations and about $2 million in cash. They have a staff of 28.

Where they have a significant advantage is they were able in 2022 to inventory 1300 miles of routes and collect in excess of 9000 geo-tagged photos so they have a lot data to use in their submittals and so they're a year or two ahead of the process. They have I think 6 lawyers, at last one full time GIS person, 3 offices (SLC, Washington, Moab).

The Blue Ribbon Coalition for 2021 said their revenue was $735,000 and they have a staff of 8 and I believe only a PO Box with all the staff being distributed. IMBA (for mountain bikes) is about $6 million organization.

Bear in mind that SUWA is focused only on southern Utah while BRC is a national association that relies on local clubs for leg work and I surmise retains lawyers as necessary. So SUWA is more akin in focus to this club or Red Rock Wheelers or something in scope but are on a completely different organizational level.

Sierra Club is a $150 million annually (their supporting foundation is worth about $300 million) organization and the Wilderness Society a $90 million (annual donations in the $40 million range) one. They aren't remotely in the same league as even SUWA.
 
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Ok, looks like I sidetracked the conversation. Not my intent. SUWA seems like they were directly involved in both campaigns to get folks to write their opinion to the BLM, like BRC did, as well as active in lobbying, so I was trying to find out more about them. I'm not sure where folks are pulling in REI, Sierra Club, etc, etc, or saying "The CEO of this org did XYZ." Ok, provide an article or something, currently we don't have that in this tangent of the conversation. In any case, y'all can drop that line and continue the conversation where it left off. Deleting my previous post.
 

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Ok, looks like I sidetracked the conversation. Not my intent. SUWA seems like they were directly involved in both campaigns to get folks to write their opinion to the BLM, like BRC did, as well as active in lobbying, so I was trying to find out more about them. I'm not sure where folks are pulling in REI, Sierra Club, etc, etc, or saying "The CEO of this org did XYZ." Ok, provide an article or something, currently we don't have that in this tangent of the conversation. In any case, y'all can drop that line and continue the conversation where it left off. Deleting my previous post.
i wouldn't say it got sidetracked.
 

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Me neither. :)
 

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Ok, looks like I sidetracked the conversation. Not my intent. SUWA seems like they were directly involved in both campaigns to get folks to write their opinion to the BLM, like BRC did, as well as active in lobbying, so I was trying to find out more about them. I'm not sure where folks are pulling in REI, Sierra Club, etc, etc, or saying "The CEO of this org did XYZ." Ok, provide an article or something, currently we don't have that in this tangent of the conversation. In any case, y'all can drop that line and continue the conversation where it left off. Deleting my previous post.
You seemed to be on a research spree and interested in digging deeper, so I and others gave you a decent start of things you can start looking in to. If you just want the nitty gritty laid out for you to look at without doing any research, then I guess I misread your posts. You seem to have knowledge of how non-profits report their donations, so I figured all you needed was some terms you could type into the search engine of choice and go digging. I see RS as a place where I can chat with friends and not have to cite every single statement made. I've been apart of those types of communities before but not interested in doing that here. The bottom line is that it's an ever-changing sphere and right now SUWA and the others have the upper hand and the ear of politicians. I will provide some info about REI and SUWA below.

Believe it or not but 4x4ers have been dealing with this for longer than I've been alive. So there are some people who have been there, seen that and when they post something then there is meat to be found. You just have to dig to find it. A lot of these organizations, like REI, have buried their past actions and revamped their websites etc so that it is harder to find, they have received a lot of backlash in the past for it.
Huh. that list appears to be a lot of organizations who help folks with special needs, etc. All seems positive to me, not seeing where REI does something to support anti motorized access? What did I miss here..

REI has directly supported SUWA with corporate donations. Recently, in 2021, they changed the way that they support these communities. The list that you looked at is not the whole story. REI has something called CAN, Cooperative Action Network, which does more political action. They directly support things like the 30 by 30 initiative, Build Back Better, the REPLANT act, Let Nature do Its Thing, etc. These acts look great at first, but what they do is provide funds to measure the impacts of things like 4x4 recreation, hunting, industry etc and then create pathways towards closing access to these public lands, in the name of climate change or restoration. They have a letter writing form on their website and collect money for these things at checkout and allow groups to set up in their parkings lots etc etc.



REI also hosts SUWA specifically and hosts and promotes their events:


REI is part of the Conservation Alliance, along with Kelty, The Northface and Patagonia and others. They donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to SUWA and similar organizations every year and it has been active for over a decade. This is just a couple articles but you can find hundreds:
Funny enough, this webpage no longer exists but it is still visible on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20110202160015/https://conservationalliance.com/blog/2010/8


REI used to openly support SUWA back in 2013 and Obama appointed the CEO of REI to lead Dept. of Interior, at the time Utah Congressman Bishop opposed the appointment because of support for SUWA and other radical environmentalist groups: https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2013/02/07/obama-picks-ceo-rei-to/23775336007/


Travis Hammill, the current D.C. director of SUWA, worked for REI for 9 years and was a manager of their Outreach division: https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamthammill/details/experience/

I'm bored now so I'm going to stop here but I hope this at least gets you started.
 
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Why does this thread have an N/A next to it in the replies part of the main heading? What does this mean?

Edit: I figured it out moved to land use… a more appropriate location but way less likely to be seen.
 

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Edit: I figured it out moved to land use… a more appropriate location but way less likely to be seen.

Maybe we need a new section called "Trail Closures: Threats & Fights" in addition to our normal Land Use planning section. We could put it up in the top section.

If y'all like this idea, I'm open to a better name than my suggestion.
 

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Maybe we need a new section called "Trail Closures: Threats & Fights" in addition to our normal Land Use planning section. We could put it up in the top section.

If y'all like this idea, I'm open to a better name than my suggestion.
I dig it.
 

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Your humble west slope reporter decided just to see. It’s so, so quiet out here. No signs indicating closures yet but I’ve only encountered one SxS, 3 Jeeps, a Super Duty and heard but didn’t see a couple of dirt bikes. in 2 days despite lots of people nearer US191. I don’t think a lot of people make it this far back without trying.

But I can see the BLM’s argument. I was on my mountain bike and filled my camelbak with small trash (mostly cans) as I could from tenmile wash. Had to leave big pieces of plastic and a muffler for someone with a larger payload. It’s hella beach sandy down there.

The road to the overlook isn’t bad but some braiding and parallel routes. I didn’t bring the decision map but up on the rim the bummer is I think closures of the side routes might end some of the better dispersed camping. AFAIK the route to the overlook is left open.

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