No I don't work in Human Resources, I build spacecraft for a living
Corona Virus Panic
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No I don't work in Human Resources, I build spacecraft for a living
There are lots of perspectives and the reality is frames by where you sit. In my view you are wrong and in your view I am wrong. We both believe we have the data to back our positions. The data to me clearly shows this is not overblown and I can't fathom how someone can see 48,000 cases on one day as overblown. Even the EU see's the US as a problem and has banned us. Lots of facts and data to show this is a real problem. Lots of mouthpieces on the news saying it isnt.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
One reason is it sets a precedent that the executive branch can make up whatever rule they want.
If they want to force everyone into house arrest then make the legislature write a law.
If they want to mandate the masks then make the legislature write a law.
The governor is abusing the authority given under emergency action and applying blanket laws to enforce whatever "public health" justification he wants.
At some point is it no longer an emergency and he can't keep issuing executive orders as he wishes in place of laws.
Oh, but isn't it convenient that in 2018 the legislature passed a law that made several modifications to the revised statues.
https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/hb18-1394
The changes came to Title 24, Article 33.5, Part 7 - Emergency Management - that now gives the governor the decision on when an emergency is no longer an emergency without any time limits other than every 30 days he has to renew the declaration.
https://codes.findlaw.com/co/title-24-government-state/
It's curious too that Parts 704.5 and 711.5 were added with many detailed powers specific to an epidemic response. The only other type of emergency that has its own part is 711 dealing with compensation for grasshopper infestations.
Do you suppose now that he's got the power he'll ever want to give it up? What do you think the chances are this infection never goes away or only goes away when the governor is satisfied we've jumped through enough hoops?
What's the point of pushing back? The governor has already decided what jobs and medical treatments he deems worthy of continuing. That choosing when and where you want to go is a public health issue.
So what's to stop the governor unilaterally deciding gasoline engines are a public health issue for lung recovery?
That deep lugged tires churning up dust off highway is a public health issue from the particulates?
Cigars are a public health issue?
The legislature knows political hot buttons (see the OHV fund raid and the effectiveness of public pressure) and that it would be difficult or perhaps even impossible to legislate much of this into effect with an immediate reaction and probably losing re-elections. But they are with him on principles since they can reign it in anytime they want.
And what's the governor care? He's not up for re-election until 2023 and is worth it would seem around $350 million. It's not easy to unravel his companies (last reported finances were 2017 when in Congress) but appears between the various Jovian and Mountain Property Improvement companies his primary residence may sit within roughly 60 acres over in Weld County. So even if there is an election in 2023 and he happens to lose he'll be just fine.
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
Another friend of a friend died of COVID in the last couple days. She was a curator at a museum and had a family.
Jenny Cruiser
Hard Core 4+
Sorry. I wasn't aware you had returned to LM. I haven't paid much attention to them since 2014 when they launched Orion in December that year. Pretty cool that the paint on the US flag didn't burn off during reentry.
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Thats OK, I have never worked HR though. Always lead engineering teams in the Space area even when I was at Raytheon
Blah blah blah. Dave I feel you are part of the problem and not the solution. Government should be able to state what should be done in a public health crisis like this. You are taking it to extremes. People who don't heed their advice and take it as BS that wearing a mask is important is what has lead to this resurgence. I am not a DR and neither are you. The medical experts say wear a mask. Then you see pictures or large groups of people not wearing them because it infringes on their rights and then the rates of infection spike.
Other posts had stated we should open the economy and rationalizing why its OK for a certain number of people to die, because they do from other causes. That hurts my head. I have always found you to be a logical person and I see no logic in that
But, Dave . . . I love you man
gungriffin
Rising Sun Member
Man that is a rant. I would wear a mask even if the government didn't mandate it. You are taking the discussion to a place that just isn't relevant to my decision for wearing a mask. I am not for big government, and I am also not for spreading the virus. Different measures are needed in high population density areas vs low density areas. I am not conveying that masks are needed all the time, but there are places that they do help. Hiking in the sun is different than going to King Soopers when it is full.
On that note, how is it that the grocery stores seem to be CONSTANTLY busy now?
J Kimmel
Hard Core 4+
On that note, how is it that the grocery stores seem to be CONSTANTLY busy now?
so many people not working as much they’re going at all different times rather than the standard evening or Sunday afternoon times
Jenny Cruiser
Hard Core 4+
I should rephrase a bit. I believe your perspective is wrong, but you're opinion is right on - for you. I don't have a problem with you doing what you think you should. You, likely, want to live as long as possible. Play it safe and all that. That's fine. No problem with that. I just don't think there's any solution out there that can prevent the inevitable. Sweden bit down and pushed through. I like that. I don't think New Zealand is anything worth crowing about. The country is composed of sparsely populated and isolated islands with a total population less than that of CO. There are more sheep there than Kiwis. It's here. It's not going anywhere and no pause or lockdown is going to prevent people dying from it in the near future. Hopes of a vaccine, if there indeed will be one, are just hopes. Vaccines can help, but they can't prevent this type of illness from ever occuring.
Rzeppa
Rising Sun Member
Exactly. And while I don't agree with all our Governor's proclamations, I do agree with the voluntary "no mask no service" for businesses to choose to mandate that their customers must wear a facial covering in order to enter the premises. Until there's vaccine and this thing is under control, it's up to everyone to be responsible and do their part to prevent the spread.
I heard on the radio this morning that apparently (I think this was CU Boulder) that some college students were having a contest to see who could catch the virus first, and part of the activities were lots of big parties.
I heard on the radio this morning that apparently (I think this was CU Boulder) that some college students were having a contest to see who could catch the virus first, and part of the activities were lots of big parties.
It was in Alabama.
gungriffin
Rising Sun Member
I am totally onboard with this 100%. Well said.
So are you an anti vaxer and don't vaccine your kids? My perspective is wrong??? I really don't see as what you posted as being reasonable. But as an american I respect your right to believe it. I am not sure how we got here when I am stating I don't see anything wrong with wearing masks or social distancing. Is it you feel that no need to wear a mask as its inevitable and no need to play it safe? There is data that PROVEs wearing mask and social distancing works.
I agree it's inevitable that we will all die. I would like to live a while and watch my granddaughter grow up, so there are solution that allow you to live longer. Otherwise, why not jump out of a plane without a parachute. If I felt the way I read your post I would eat whatever, don't take my medications and who cares if I die at 60 vs 80. I think that just dumb and if you decide to not wear a mask in public then that impacts everyone you come in contact with. Your decision impacts others who do care and believe there is a mitigation
Jenny Cruiser
Hard Core 4+
I've never mentioned not wearing masks, or any of that other $hit you mentioned. Carry on. If you have anything else to say PM me. This tit for tat has gone too far into the weeds already.
The internet is a 2 way medium and not always the best way to communicate. I misunderstood and thought you were telling me I was wrong for my perspective on masks and distancing. I apologize if that isnt what you were referring to, thats how I perceived it. I percieved your post as why do anything since you are going to die anyways. We have known each other a long time and no slight was intended on my part. This COVID-19 situation is stressing us all in different ways. Since my job is essential, I havent had any financial impacts which I am very fortunate about and I understand that also colors my perspective
Again, my apologies if you were offended by my post
Jenny Cruiser
Hard Core 4+
I apologize for not being clear. I've taken to wearing a headband now when I have to wear a mask as the backs of my ears are just plain raw. I took two weeks off, but other than that I've been working the entire time as well. I think we could all use a good break. No more news. No more politics. Hawaii is going to be nice.
that does sound nice. The news is very depressing, more so than normal
FJCDan
Rising Sun Member
I had this issue yesterday when I showed up at customers house to clean carpets, walked up to the door wearing my mask as required being in the service industry. Oh you one of those that wears a mask. I told him that it is required. I then asked him if he knew anyone who has had the virus yet, and of course not. I then proceeded to tell him about family members who have had it and opened his mind about it. It doesn't always just go away, it can linger for a long time after you recover. WEAR YOUR DAMN MASKS PEOPLE. Do it for yourself Do it for others. Also my wife and I went down to the Pepsi Center on Wednesday to get tested for good GP's. no symptoms just because we could. Should get results early next week.
Jenny Cruiser
Hard Core 4+
Ige, you MOFO.(Hawaii's Gov.) くそ ばか! (kuso baka) Hawaii is a no go till Feb. This is has helped me feel better. Watch it. You'll like it too. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=602199717395317