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so who's ordering a Rivian?

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Just priced out what I would like, came to just shy of $100k. I'll have to pass.
 

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Its really eye opening that less 1% of cars in CA are electric and they're already having issues. I am speculating that the amount of EVs on the road will increase quicker than they can get the power grid able to handle it.

All in the name of zEro EmisSiOnS.......
I thought I remember hearing recently that 1% of all cars in the US are electric and 4% of cars in CA are electric. I tried to find a good source to verify and could only find reputable data from 2021 where .5% of all cars in the US are electric and 1.6% of cars in CA are electric.
Source: https://afdc.energy.gov/transatlas/#/?view=percent&year=2021

I am optimistic about the grid being able to handle the future demand. I know for a fact these growing pains are being planned for and studied by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden CO and DOE. I don't pretend to know what the solutions are or think that they will be easy or cheap. I just believe the US is capable of growth and change because there is money to be made in this growing sector.
 

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Where I live in California it feels like every 10th vehicle is a Tesla. And then we have all the more rare electrics, too.
 

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Some good friends of my wife and I ordered the R1S about 8 months ago. I didn't think they were serious until last week when they said they were looking forward to the delivery date. Mr. mcgaskins, do you have any insider info on the delivery time frame?
 
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Some good friends of my wife and I ordered the R1S about 8 months ago. I didn't think they were serious until last week when they said they were looking forward to the delivery date. Mr. mcgaskins, do you have any insider info on the delivery time frame?

I get asked this a lot, and unfortunately it's not a straightforward answer. For example, we are only delivering the quad motor, large battery packs right now which is the 135kw / 316 mile range version, so if someone has an order for the dual motor or the smaller or biggest battery pack, it will be a longer wait. Same thing with certain color/wheel/option packages - I've had my pre order in for almost 3 years and am still waiting because I have an unusual combination of launch edition R1S with the off road upgrade, compass yellow exterior with forest edge (yes green "leather") interior, and 20" bright wheels. If I wanted a white or green exterior with black interior and 21" wheels, I would have already had the option to take delivery, but I'd rather wait for exactly what my desired spec is especially since there is not a discount or incentive for being an employee. I'd encourage your friends to reach out to customer service and see if there is something they can do to accelerate the delivery by changing their current configuration. I have seen on the forums and Facebook some people only waited a couple months from pre order to delivery because of their spec.

This was a white one I spent a lot of time with at our media launch in NY back in June, and I was happy I waited for the S instead of the T. The T is incredible, but the S is exactly what I want since I prefer sleep in the back instead in a tent. Having nothing but glass overhead and tons of rear lighting as well as USB C charging outlets everywhere means camping is going to be even easier in the future!

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Thanks for reply. I want one and I think you can cut me a smoking deal...just sayin. :p
 

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I get asked this a lot, and unfortunately it's not a straightforward answer. For example, we are only delivering the quad motor, large battery packs right now which is the 135kw / 316 mile range version, so if someone has an order for the dual motor or the smaller or biggest battery pack, it will be a longer wait. Same thing with certain color/wheel/option packages - I've had my pre order in for almost 3 years and am still waiting because I have an unusual combination of launch edition R1S with the off road upgrade, compass yellow exterior with forest edge (yes green "leather") interior, and 20" bright wheels. If I wanted a white or green exterior with black interior and 21" wheels, I would have already had the option to take delivery, but I'd rather wait for exactly what my desired spec is especially since there is not a discount or incentive for being an employee. I'd encourage your friends to reach out to customer service and see if there is something they can do to accelerate the delivery by changing their current configuration. I have seen on the forums and Facebook some people only waited a couple months from pre order to delivery because of their spec.

This was a white one I spent a lot of time with at our media launch in NY back in June, and I was happy I waited for the S instead of the T. The T is incredible, but the S is exactly what I want since I prefer sleep in the back instead in a tent. Having nothing but glass overhead and tons of rear lighting as well as USB C charging outlets everywhere means camping is going to be even easier in the future!

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Dibs on palladium if you sell when your R1S comes in.....
 

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Dibs on palladium if you sell when your R1S comes in.....

I absolutely love the 200 - don't plan on ever being without one no matter what else is in the garage. In fact about 2 years ago I picked up a bone stock high mileage one as well and have been stockpiling a bunch of new OEM parts to make it like it rolled off the showroom floor. Yes I have a problem!
 

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Any idea when the 400 mile range Rivian arrives?
 

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Here’s a comparison of the 300 series vs the R1S:


That was a pretty good article. It was pretty unbiased in the writing. It will be interesting to see what the residual value of the Rivian will be.


It was also interesting to figure out the consumption costs of fuel or electricity per 100k miles.

The Rivian uses about 48 kWh per 100 miles. This equates out to about 48,000 kWh for 100,000 miles. Xcel's present flat rate averaged for winter and summer rates is about $0.1311 per kWh. That is $6293 per 100k miles. It would also be a max of $5126 at the off peak rate of $0.1068 from 7pm to 1pm the following day with time of use on Xcel. Xcel is presently buying back solar if the form of credits at the cost of electricity at the time of the sale. So from 3-7pm, they will buy back at $0.2779. One peak kWh credit will buy about 2.6 off peak kWh. So it would be easy to get the cost of electricity down to only the equipment cost with solar.

The LX600 will get 19 MPG combined. About 5263 gallons per 100k miles. Assuming about $3.50 per gallon, that is $18,421 per 100k miles.

That is capable of being a pretty sizeable difference in running costs. It is debatable how much it matters relative to a vehicle that is about $100,000 though.
 

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That was a pretty good article. It was pretty unbiased in the writing. It will be interesting to see what the residual value of the Rivian will be.


It was also interesting to figure out the consumption costs of fuel or electricity per 100k miles.

The Rivian uses about 48 kWh per 100 miles. This equates out to about 48,000 kWh for 100,000 miles. Xcel's present flat rate averaged for winter and summer rates is about $0.1311 per kWh. That is $6293 per 100k miles. It would also be a max of $5126 at the off peak rate of $0.1068 from 7pm to 1pm the following day with time of use on Xcel. Xcel is presently buying back solar if the form of credits at the cost of electricity at the time of the sale. So from 3-7pm, they will buy back at $0.2779. One peak kWh credit will buy about 2.6 off peak kWh. So it would be easy to get the cost of electricity down to only the equipment cost with solar.

The LX600 will get 19 MPG combined. About 5263 gallons per 100k miles. Assuming about $3.50 per gallon, that is $18,421 per 100k miles.

That is capable of being a pretty sizeable difference in running costs. It is debatable how much it matters relative to a vehicle that is about $100,000 though.

Another thing to consider is maintenance costs. No oil, tranny, diff fluid changes, no air filter, no fuel filter, no timing belt, no head gasket, no PHH, no heater Ts, brakes last forever due to majority of braking occurring during regen, etc. As much as I love the Cruiser (which again isn’t going anywhere), it’s way, WAY more expensive to own in every way - including up front cost if you compare new to new. Because I placed my order a couple years ago I have the “old” pricing which means even with $5k in options my configuration is $82k for a brand new R1S fully loaded. $82k in the 200 world means a 3-5 year old vehicle with 50k miles and tech and features that were outdated a decade ago. I’m not bashing the 200 - it’s my favorite vehicle - but I’m clear eyed about the value proposition here.
 

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Another thing to consider is maintenance costs. No oil, tranny, diff fluid changes, no air filter, no fuel filter, no timing belt, no head gasket, no PHH, no heater Ts, brakes last forever due to majority of braking occurring during regen, etc. As much as I love the Cruiser (which again isn’t going anywhere), it’s way, WAY more expensive to own in every way - including up front cost if you compare new to new. Because I placed my order a couple years ago I have the “old” pricing which means even with $5k in options my configuration is $82k for a brand new R1S fully loaded. $82k in the 200 world means a 3-5 year old vehicle with 50k miles and tech and features that were outdated a decade ago. I’m not bashing the 200 - it’s my favorite vehicle - but I’m clear eyed about the value proposition here.
What will a new battery cost in a Rivian, and will it be any better than what the Teslas have been showing.

I saw that Tesla batteries were running about $22,500 dollars for replacement. And Rivian has even bigger battery packs.
 

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What will a new battery cost in a Rivian, and will it be any better than what the Teslas have been showing.

I saw that Tesla batteries were running about $22,500 dollars for replacement. And Rivian has even bigger battery packs.

The R1T and R1S come with a 175k mile / 8 year warranty for the battery pack, and it's too early to tell what replacement packs will cost after that time has elapsed - commodities pricing, supply chain, chemistry changes, etc. Tesla battery packs have proven to be very robust and long lasting - the very few failures statistically get picked up and hyped by the media for clicks just like whenever there is a fire involving a Tesla. A couple weeks ago I was driving on I76 and saw a late model Nissan Sentra completely engulfed in flames on the side of the road, and then a few hours later I saw a nearly identical scene with a Nissan Sentra totally consumed by fire on I70 about 6 miles from the earlier incident. Imagine if it was a Tesla Model 3 instead of a Sentra - it would be "breaking news"...Hyundai/Kia have recalled about 6 million vehicles for a significant risk of engine fires, yet the media hyped up Tesla fires which according to the data shows there were 60 "fire related instances" with Teslas over the last 8 years. My point is that a lot of people are worried about battery replacements when the likelihood of having to replace a pack is very small relative to the hype that is prevalent online.
 
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