BritKLR
Rising Sun Member
Never thought a simple "Parts Number" label could be so exciting! In-sourced in the Rockies, USA!
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so who's ordering a Rivian?
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a buddy sent me this one... https://jalopnik.com/rivians-ipo-filing-leaked-how-the-company-plans-to-make-1847829458 shouldn't be suprised the subscription-based actually means another monthly bill, but still, kinda seems like a lot?
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
I have to imagine there will be some huge lawsuit at some point over locking safety features behind a paywall. Just look at some of the stuff around the 737Max situation with the optional safety features.
The reliability of consumer cloud services gives me pause here as well... like how often does the truck need to call home for my subscribed stuff to work?
I remain optimistic here but absolutely do not want the smart phone sales model anywhere near my car.
EDIT: Haha at the last line in the above article "It looks like cars in the future might suck."
I remain optimistic here but absolutely do not want the smart phone sales model anywhere near my car.
EDIT: Haha at the last line in the above article "It looks like cars in the future might suck."
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DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Here's an interesting couple of observations.
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-evs-cost-more-to-repair-less-to-maintain/
https://crestlineautotransport.com/blog/electric-vehicle-depreciation/
Great towing video by TFL truck.
mcgaskins
Rising Sun Member
Unfortunately the observations in these articles are pretty flawed. The depreciation article uses the Fiat 500e as the example, yet Fiat only sold under 3,000 of those in 2018 and 2019 combined which is also when this article is from. Tesla sold over 300,000 Model 3s in that same time period, and if you look at their residuals they are actually selling for more than they cost new. This is not a recent covid related phenomenon either - I had a Model 3 mid range I sold for more than I paid new back in early 2019, and then I had a Model 3 performance I sold for more than I paid new in early 2020 which was in a time period when car values were actually tanking due to uncertainty and fear. We now have a Model Y performance we could easily sell for ~$12k more than we paid for it new - all these figures do not even consider tax incentives and rebates btw.
The article about maintenance and repairs has no data or examples to support any of the assertions, but it doesn't make sense that people would be bearing the cost of any repairs in the first year of ICE or EVs since they're both under warranty. EVs, and I'm generally referring to Tesla since they dominate 80% of the EV market, are the clear winner as it relates to maintenance - no oil to change, no fluids to flush, brakes nearly never need replacing due to regen (original brakes can last 200k+ miles easily and age out before they wear out). Tesla and Rivian offer significantly better warranties as well than ICE counterparts - 8 years / 120k for the battery and drive unit for Tesla and 8 years / 175k miles for Rivian. Saying EVs are more expensive to maintain or repair in the short term or long term is simply inaccurate.