BritKLR
Vice Commander
Never thought a simple "Parts Number" label could be so exciting! In-sourced in the Rockies, USA!
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so who's ordering a Rivian?
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a buddy sent me this one... https://jalopnik.com/rivians-ipo-filing-leaked-how-the-company-plans-to-make-1847829458 shouldn't be suprised the subscription-based actually means another monthly bill, but still, kinda seems like a lot?
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
I have to imagine there will be some huge lawsuit at some point over locking safety features behind a paywall. Just look at some of the stuff around the 737Max situation with the optional safety features.
The reliability of consumer cloud services gives me pause here as well... like how often does the truck need to call home for my subscribed stuff to work?
I remain optimistic here but absolutely do not want the smart phone sales model anywhere near my car.
EDIT: Haha at the last line in the above article "It looks like cars in the future might suck."
I remain optimistic here but absolutely do not want the smart phone sales model anywhere near my car.
EDIT: Haha at the last line in the above article "It looks like cars in the future might suck."
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DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Here's an interesting couple of observations.
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-evs-cost-more-to-repair-less-to-maintain/
https://crestlineautotransport.com/blog/electric-vehicle-depreciation/
Great towing video by TFL truck.
mcgaskins
Rising Sun Member
Unfortunately the observations in these articles are pretty flawed. The depreciation article uses the Fiat 500e as the example, yet Fiat only sold under 3,000 of those in 2018 and 2019 combined which is also when this article is from. Tesla sold over 300,000 Model 3s in that same time period, and if you look at their residuals they are actually selling for more than they cost new. This is not a recent covid related phenomenon either - I had a Model 3 mid range I sold for more than I paid new back in early 2019, and then I had a Model 3 performance I sold for more than I paid new in early 2020 which was in a time period when car values were actually tanking due to uncertainty and fear. We now have a Model Y performance we could easily sell for ~$12k more than we paid for it new - all these figures do not even consider tax incentives and rebates btw.
The article about maintenance and repairs has no data or examples to support any of the assertions, but it doesn't make sense that people would be bearing the cost of any repairs in the first year of ICE or EVs since they're both under warranty. EVs, and I'm generally referring to Tesla since they dominate 80% of the EV market, are the clear winner as it relates to maintenance - no oil to change, no fluids to flush, brakes nearly never need replacing due to regen (original brakes can last 200k+ miles easily and age out before they wear out). Tesla and Rivian offer significantly better warranties as well than ICE counterparts - 8 years / 120k for the battery and drive unit for Tesla and 8 years / 175k miles for Rivian. Saying EVs are more expensive to maintain or repair in the short term or long term is simply inaccurate.
I think I saw as many Rivians at the Overland Expo show this past weekend as Ford Broncos... also got to check out the SUV, which was pretty cool. Until the guy told me not to touch the touch screen.
saw this today, first break/field repair that I've seen looks like someone broke a tie rod on Fins. Sounds like he got a new one pretty quick though, from reading the comments.
saw this today, first break/field repair that I've seen looks like someone broke a tie rod on Fins. Sounds like he got a new one pretty quick though, from reading the comments.
I’m headed on to the White Rim in the morning with a buddy and his Rivian. Be cool to see it in action for a few days.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Are you spending night(s) on the WRT? Just wondering logistics of EV in that case since I assume it's similar to doing it old school where you fill 'er up to the neck at the Chevron at US191/UT313 going in and coming out. What's the Rivian equivalent?
rover67
Rising Sun Member
The super slow speeds and tame terrain on the white rim will be great for the Rivian.
Looks like several charging options in and around moab just charge up and go. One thing people I think often overlook is you can reserve an RV site almost anywhere and have acccess to a high amperage 220v outlet to charge off of during your stay. For example if you were anxious about range get an RV site at dead horse, get there late spend the night charge and go for it the next morning. Otherwise I’d think the Rivian has plenty of range to charge in Moab and go from there.
Looks like several charging options in and around moab just charge up and go. One thing people I think often overlook is you can reserve an RV site almost anywhere and have acccess to a high amperage 220v outlet to charge off of during your stay. For example if you were anxious about range get an RV site at dead horse, get there late spend the night charge and go for it the next morning. Otherwise I’d think the Rivian has plenty of range to charge in Moab and go from there.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
I've been told from reliable sources that a Rivian will do about 1.5 miles per kW-hr in off highway travel. So that means around about 175 miles from the 125 kW-hr battery. But that's just a day trip and I would think WRT would be doable in that scenario. It's by my mapping 146 miles 'round from Archview and back to Archview.
But that's why I'm wondering how camping is going to change that. In other words, parasitic draws, fridges, etc. Do you still get 1.5 miles per kW-hr if you park it for 12 hours twice doing it over 3 days or something? I suppose 100W or so of solar would balance normal camp consumption perhaps. In our dinosaur technology we can top up batteries on account of all excess energy we're cravenly otherwise throwing away from the alternator.
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Well either Corbet straps him up Shaffer Switchbacks, or he drives back to Moab with half a tank... my money's on the latter, I bet it's a non-issue. Looking forward to the results!
gungriffin
Rising Sun Member
If they weren't so hard to acquire, a Rivian would likely be my next vehicle. I don't love the headlight design, but it isn't that bad either. I love the size of the entire vehicle too. I would pair an R1T with an OVRLND topper.
There is a cool mode they are testing on the R1S called camp mode. It allows you to access certain features while parked at camp. The cool feature is allowing the user to access the air bag system to level the vehicle at camp. I would imagine it feature will have a wider rollout here soon.
www.motortrend.com
There is a cool mode they are testing on the R1S called camp mode. It allows you to access certain features while parked at camp. The cool feature is allowing the user to access the air bag system to level the vehicle at camp. I would imagine it feature will have a wider rollout here soon.
What is Rivian's New Camp Mode?
Watch the company's founder discuss the new features, coming in a future OTA update to R1S and R1T models.
They remind me of the Dyson bladeless fans
I came off the WRT with a little under a half tank of dino juice and we were overloaded for a week long trip in Moab. I feel like they should have plenty of range even with 3 days of food and water and aired down tires.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
That's also interesting. I've been on WRT a few times with the Tacoma over the years and if I do the full loop with overnights I use most of a full tank. Thing is I've only got a 19 gallon tank, so that works out to around 8 to 10 MPG and that's pretty typical for my off highway mileage. But I do wonder how much technique factors in here. I have a stick shift so I tend to use low range rather work the clutch and shutoff and re-start the engine instead of trust the parking brake. I bet all that accumulates worse efficiency.
My tank is around 17 gal but I was in 2high most of the time and only dropping down to 4low when I need to ascend with control or control my speed on decent.
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
As the kids these days say, big mood.
"It's good drip"