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I think micro inverters are the way to go. I want to do it all myself, if possible, in conjunction with geothermal. It's going to be a while though.
 

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I want to have my EV be my home battery backup. Is this home solar or vanlife? :)
 

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The saga of Xcel energy continues. After they missed their appointment of last Friday, I enlisted Project Solar for an update, as they are the liaison here. Finally got this response from them today:


Hey Tim,

We finally got ahold of them and this is the message they shared:

"The Company is experiencing a temporary shortage of solar net meters due to supply chain issues with meter vendors outside of the Company’s control. However, Public Service is anticipating a shipment of new meters to be delivered during the week of December 6, 2021 and is taking action to reprogram existing meters to function as net meters until the new shipment arrives. Due to this shortage, there may be solar meter install delays beyond the internal timeframe of 20-business days from the meter request date. The Company apologizes for any inconvenience a potential delay may cause its mutual customers."



So I shut off my solar switch.. no doubt I will be paying double for a good portion of November, but at least I can avoid it for December’s bill. And I have 0 confidence I will have a new meter before the end of the year. We should start a pool….
 

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Sounds like it's starting to be as bad as my experience with Xcel. Sorry Tim :(
 

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Sounds like it's starting to be as bad as my experience with Xcel. Sorry Tim :(
I kinda knew this last part of the process was going to be the worst... based on my own small survey of anyone I have ever run across who has ever purchased solar- 100% negative reviews on Xcel energy. What I was prepared to fight though was my last payment to Project Solar- I still owe them $2k for the install.. but per the contract they don't get paid until I have an approved system and permission to operate, so we wait. They must hate installs in this area... even if they're net30 with the install company they still have to carry that for some amount of time.. they were done 6 weeks ago.
 

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Jumping in here with our $0.02

We got solar in Sept. We went through Sunrun (Costco) and got a really good system for not horribly expensive. I mean, it wasn't free but it's paid off and we get the 25yr monitoring, warranty, etc that comes with a lease to own because we paid the amount to be financed up front.

To finance would have been more than double the system. Plus, we gave them the tax benefit so they can deal with all that crap. Their people know the process so for them it's just paperwork and for us it was almost $10k off the price tag up front.

We built our system to cover 103% of our current monthly average because we have a huge mechanical/storage room that we hope to turn into a 4th br + half bath - room for growth if you will.

Anyhow, we just got our first bill under full solar - $29. The usage for Sept (Oct bill) was $191. There will always be a fee to connect to the grid, you can't get out of that ever. That plus taxes, etc should be the same $29 for the next 25yrs, and longer.

I need to grab my budget numbers and see what we paid month to month the 2 previous years and compare that to $29 to really see what we're saving.

I believe our ROI is 14/15yrs...ish.

The real fun (funner, if you will - it's a word, trust me on this 😂) part will be next June - Sept to see where our "feed the grid" credits roll in to cover those heavy ac months.

Edit: we have United Power in Firestone

Sad story, I guess...the final step was getting the 2 new meters installed: 1 for existing panel and 1 for the Sunrun added panel...anyhow, United Power needed to do that...it took United Power 5 days to get them in whereas we heard horror stories about excel being 1-2 months out for the 5 minute install
 
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You guys have me interested in this. Have any of you installed a system as a CORE (nee IREA) customer?

Mark
 

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Sarah's system finished install today and they said it could take up to 6 weeks to get the Net Meter installed and the system. It cant be operational until Xcel does their job

My install starts next week and could go into the following week based on the battery system I am doing and then I guess I will have to wait

At least the last payment is tied to being operational

You are not alone @nakman in waiting. We are right behind you :)
 

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I just paid for a pretty big solar system. 12K inverter, 18.5KWh of Lithium battery storage. I'm pretty glad that all I have to worry about is the electrical inspector, and never have to deal with Xcel or any other utility.

It'll be a while before it gets here, and I'm installing it myself, but when it's all said and done (likely next summer before I get to build the carport/solar array to generate WAY too much energy) I'll have more power than I can shake a stick at, AND charge a couple electric vehicles.

Dan
 

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My system is being installed today. They did tell me it can take weeks after its done to be operational waiting for a Net meter and Xcel approval. Think that is what Tim is going through
 

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looks like the rules just changed according to an email from xcel, no more production meters if I am reading it correctly (for systems under 10kw)
 

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looks like the rules just changed according to an email from xcel, no more production meters if I am reading it correctly (for systems under 10kw)
Not surprising, enrollment in the small scale rewards program (under 25 kW sizes are targeted a total of 12 MW for the program) has been sold out for a while.

Xcel doesn't need any more residential roof generators, they need medium (>25 kW up to 500 kW, 24 MW in the program) and large scale (>500 kW, 26 MW available) uptake at this point.

But I do wonder if they mean revenue grade production meters here. There's been a push the past few years to improve the accuracy of meters. A non-revenue grade might be 2% while revenue grade is considered 0.5% accurate or better.
 
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Oh sweet, I'm on the priority list!

Hey Tim!

Just an update we called your utility they are estimating for the meter to be set by end of the month depending on if the Dec. 6 shipment goes through.

The good news is that since you were supposed to have the meter set clear back in Oct. that you are on the priority list so you should be one of the first on the list for the meter to be set!

So if I'm reading between the lines correctly these meters are on a shipping container? So subject to all the same port issues as your Beanie Babies and Tickle me Elmos... gonna guess it won't be December 6th. But hey, who had January in the pool? you could be a winner... also if you're keeping track at home I committed to this in May, so going on 7 months now. Was quoted an operational system by August.
 

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Oh sweet, I'm on the priority list!



So if I'm reading between the lines correctly these meters are on a shipping container? So subject to all the same port issues as your Beanie Babies and Tickle me Elmos... gonna guess it won't be December 6th. But hey, who had January in the pool? you could be a winner... also if you're keeping track at home I committed to this in May, so going on 7 months now. Was quoted an operational system by August.

I gave them $20 and a tickle me Elmo doll and they moved me ahead of you on the list :)
 

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:rant:
 

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I just paid for a pretty big solar system. 12K inverter, 18.5KWh of Lithium battery storage. I'm pretty glad that all I have to worry about is the electrical inspector, and never have to deal with Xcel or any other utility.

It'll be a while before it gets here, and I'm installing it myself, but when it's all said and done (likely next summer before I get to build the carport/solar array to generate WAY too much energy) I'll have more power than I can shake a stick at, AND charge a couple electric vehicles.

Dan
Yowza. What are you running with a system that size?
 

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Yowza. What are you running with a system that size?
Everything. ;)

Off grid, so 1 watt too small would be a big deal. The well pump will pull almost all of that to start, and I would like to at least run the welder without having to start a generator. Plus, I'm gone a lot. So I wanted battery storage for at least 4 days before having to load shed, just in case.

Dan
 
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