I just ordered a reman Denso starter from Napa. We’ll see if that fixes the problem. My current starter was purchased from Stevinson Toyota in 8/2018, so it’s not quite 3 years old. I’m going to keep it and rebuild it, probably.
Yes, Romer pointed me in the same direction. I pulled mine, cleaned it, and then pulled the main 2 wires for inspection. They are both in good shape. I even posted a photo of the wires.Not to run this thread down a rabbit hole of potential issues but I came across a thread on mud that suggested that he neutral safety switch may be dirty and the contacts are worn. Something else to look into potentially?
https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/clean-your-neutral-safety-switch-a442f.1019846/
Did you pull the entire switch off and open it? or just pull the plug in connectors and clean?Yes, Romer pointed me in the same direction. I pulled mine, cleaned it, and then pulled the main 2 wires for inspection. They are both in good shape. I even posted a photo of the wires.
Did you pull the entire switch off and open it? or just pull the plug in connectors and clean?
quick test for the neutral safety switch is to how the cruiser starts in Neutral. If it starts in neutral better than the Park posisiton
I would suspect a worn contact.
If I had to guess, I would be looking into the wiring loom along where it can be wiggled. Something is wrong there. I have had some wires melt
in my wiring loom, thus compromising other wires next to it. Pull the box out, split the loom and look in side or the back of the box where the wires plug in.
Last but not least, the Ignition switch is More common than one can think about, and is not that hard to replace, if you can still get one.
It may be one of the Maintaince items to replace over 250K miles due to vibraiton and how many keys you hang off the key ring(I typically only have one to two keys on my ring).
As for starters, I am still on my original starter with 278Kmiles on it. It is a cold weather one. Crazy some starter will go a long time
some will not.
New ignition switch (84450-60180) in December 2020 and zero hot start problems since (over a few Moab area trips and Death Valley). Before would always start cold. When hot might start or take 5-15 turns. (Prior problem was with good battery, good starter, good newer battery cables, fusible link, and grounds.)
Good to know. I edited my MUD postFYI, there are two part numbers for ignition switches depending on year:
8445060270 <-- correct for my 1996
8445060180
That’s a bummer. Sorry!OK, here is what I have done so far:
1. Cleaned and inspected the wires and plug connecting to the neutral safety switch.
2. Replaced the fusible link.
3. Replaced the starter.
4. Replaced both the positive battery cable (connects to starter) and the negative battery cables (connects to engine block + a smaller wire connecting to the body)
5. Replaced the ignition switch.
No joy so far. Next up:
6. Clean the neutral safety switch. Can also use a jumper to bypass the switch to see if this is the problem.
7. Install a relay, bypass the ignition system.
8. Give up, buy a Camry.
8. Give up, buy a Camry.
Seriously, I still think you should focus on whatever wires that when you wiggled them made some kind of difference. Of course the brute force bypassing the NSS may or may not do anything, but simply applying direct 12VDC to the starter solenoid terminal will most likely get it to start I bet, another brute force force test.
This from the 1994 80 series FSM. Sure does seem like #6 has got to be it since you've done everything else. If the 1996 is the same then you can jumper around it to test.OK, here is what I have done so far:
1. Cleaned and inspected the wires and plug connecting to the neutral safety switch.
2. Replaced the fusible link.
3. Replaced the starter.
4. Replaced both the positive battery cable (connects to starter) and the negative battery cables (connects to engine block + a smaller wire connecting to the body)
5. Replaced the ignition switch.
No joy so far. Next up:
6. Clean the neutral safety switch. Can also use a jumper to bypass the switch to see if this is the problem.
7. Install a relay, bypass the ignition system.
8. Give up, buy a Camry.