Times are changing.... am I crazy?

KC Masterpiece

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This is a post I never thought I'd write.

For the past 15 years, Land Cruisers have been a huge part of my identity. Many of my closest friendships, favorite trips, and best memories have come from this community and these trucks. My Cruiser history actually started with an FJC. It was my first vehicle and I absolutely loved that thing. In my early 20s it was just me and the dog exploring Colorado. It was the perfect vehicle for that stage of life. Then Amber and I moved in together and started taking more trips as a couple. The FJ began to feel a little small for the way we were using it, so we sold it and bought the 80. Looking back, that was probably the best vehicle decision I've ever made. That was eight years ago.

The 80 has been with us through a huge portion of our lives. We have camped out of it, traveled all over the West, wheeled it, maintained it, modified it, and made countless memories with it. One summer when we were still living in Silverthorne, I was between jobs and working four 12-hour days a week. I spent most of that summer living out of the 80 on the side of Aspen Mountain. Looking back, it was one of the best summers of my life and another memory that is inseparable from that truck. Tons of great backpacking trips with the boys where we were breaking trail up in Bears Ears to get out for a week without seeing another soul.

A few years ago I had a great career opportunity that completely changed our situation. My wife and I were able to buy a beautiful house in a place we love, and today I have far more responsibility than I did back then, and the reality is that time and priorities have changed. We simply have a lot less freedom than we used to. Many of you know I'm also heavily into endurance running now. Training takes 10 to 15 hours a week, and that's before races, recovery, travel, and everything else. Somewhere along the way, life got busy and we accumulated too many hobbies. What has surprised me most is that working on vehicles, something I used to genuinely love, often feels like a chore now. I have shelves full of parts for future projects that never seem to become present projects. The reality is that I haven't actually been four-wheeling in years. It's not because I don't enjoy it. Every time I see photos from Cruise Moab or a trail run, I think, "Man, I should get back out there." But when the weekend arrives, it always feels like a major effort to get everything together. Everywhere I used to take a cruiser is now accessible by foot.

The 60 is a perfect example. I absolutely love that truck, but it's gotten so nice that I'm honestly afraid to take it out and beat it up. I find myself wanting to preserve it rather than use it. For the last couple of years I've also been quietly contemplating the Sprinter van life. I know that statement alone may get me kicked out of Rising Sun. For years I thought Sprinter vans were a ridiculous trend for trust-fund kids and Instagram influencers. To be honest, I'm still not entirely sure how I keep seeing couples in their late 20s driving around in $150,000 van builds. Then again, when Amber and I were that age, we were sleeping in a used backpacking tent, cooking on a camp stove, and finding logs or rocks to sit on around camp. Maybe priorities have changed. Maybe expectations have changed. Or maybe we're just in a different stage of life now.

But my wife and I rented a van a couple of years ago and I have to admit, it was pretty great. It was comfortable, easy to travel in, surprisingly capable on the moderate 4WD roads we actually use, and fantastic on the highway. More importantly, it seemed to fit the way we spend our time these days. We're also talking about getting a third dog and are actively working toward having kids. The more I think about where life is headed, the more I find myself questioning whether our current vehicle lineup still makes sense. We're likely selling the Tundra soon because we simply don't need a truck anymore, and it's impractically large for Amber to drive comfortably. That has me looking at the rest of the fleet and wondering what makes sense for the next chapter. We will probably get something a bit higher mileage

So now I'm sitting here wondering if the 80 is still the right vehicle for us.

The thought of selling it honestly makes me a little sick. We've owned it for eight years and it feels like a member of the family at this point. Part of me wonders if the answer is a mildly built 200 Series that can do a bit of everything while still being a comfortable daily driver. Part of me looks at a 200 Series or GX paired with a Sprinter van for weekend warrior activities and thinks that combination is becoming more and more attractive. Part of me thinks the answer is keeping the 60 as the cool Cruiser and family heirloom, selling the 80, and putting that money toward a van that better fits the way we actually travel today.

Has anyone else gone through this?

Not necessarily the Cruiser-to-Sprinter transition specifically, but that feeling where your interests, priorities, and lifestyle evolved and suddenly the vehicles that once perfectly fit your life maybe don't anymore?

On that note. Anyone in the Club looking to get into a 2nd Gen Tundra, or a built out 80?
 
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“Part of me wonders if the answer is a mildly built 200 Series that can do a bit of everything while still being a comfortable daily driver.”

This is the combo I’ve come back to 3 different times. It’s always a great answer and one that you won’t go wrong with.

I know nothing about sprinters but I did just get a 4x4 small class c. I’m hoping it does the job of balancing being remote/alone but with creature comforts of a shower and bathroom!
 

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Thanks for the perspective. The only reason I do not want to let go of the Tundra is the drivetrain. The 3UR-FE with the 6 speed is one of the best combos I have ever had.
 
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Tomorrow I'm heading out with a team to help a sprinter get out of a place it should not have driven into. I don't think you'd be happy when you realize it cannot go everywhere. But you said you have enjoyed one, so maybe.

Priorities change. Its ok.

I have been procrastinating the transmission repair the LongCruiser needs, in part because that is not how I want to spend my time but the R&R on that custom rig cannot be handed over to a shop! (Yes, I have a person who will do the transmission guts).
 

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Adding a question to this thread.

Why is it that the 570s are so much cheaper than the LC200? Is it just the Lexus branding not being as macho? We loved the LX470 other than the outdated ac nav system that was almost impossible to swap. ACH was actually pretty awesome. I guess front bumpers are a bit harder. Looking at the market these days the 80 would likely sell for enough to get an LX570 with 100k and have some cash leftover.
 

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Tomorrow I'm heading out with a team to help a sprinter get out of a place it should not have driven into. I don't think you'd be happy when you realize it cannot go everywhere. But you said you have enjoyed one, so maybe.

Priorities change. Its ok.

I have been procrastinating the transmission repair the LongCruiser needs, in part because that is not how I want to spend my time but the R&R on that custom rig cannot be handed over to a shop! (Yes, I have a person who will do the transmission guts).

I feel you there. I have rescued two myself. I keep thinking this way since it has been years since we have taken the 80 past 20% of its capability.
 

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I have been contemplating the same exact thing as you lately. We currently have a built 80 that I always said I would never sell. A pretty much bone stock 100 that has been our family of 5 roadtrip and ski vehicle and I recently picked up a big time project 40 that I don't have the time to work on like Id hoped. I have been on the fence about selling the 80 and 100 and buying a 200 or gx with a mild build so it could pull double duty as a roadtrip and camping, mild wheeling rig. My boys grew up in the 80 and we've made soooo many cool memories in it as a family but it is a little cramped now that the boys are 15. 13, and 11. I;d prefer a gx cause I don't like the large size feel of a 200 but think the GX would be too small for the next few years. So I am leaning toward the LX570 as well since they are cheaper and the idea of AHC with maybe the sensor lift or whatever its called would be a better fit until the boys are out of the picture. But I too don't know if I could stomach selling my 80.
 

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Such a great mid-life conundrum.
Because our business is in the whole overland world I've learned a little about the whole adventure van thing.

1) Remember, a Sprinter is a Mercedes product first and foremost. Anything happens outside of warranty and the Big "M" stands for $$$$$$$$.
2) Take a look at the domestic versions from Ford and Dodge. While not as sexy, they have more dealership support and domestic parts availability.
3) All three brands are heavily supported by the aftermarket so you can go as mild to wild as you like.
4) Plenty of used ones out there at negotiable prices due someone's "van life" dream bubble popped.
5) The Adv Van crowd is 180 degrees different than the Cruiser crowd. Just remember the phrase "Ima blacktop warrior" and you'll be fine.
6) The Adv Van winch, bumper, suspension, recovery gear is not meant to be used, that's what AAA is designed for.
7) Once you live daily with a Adv Van you'll either love it or hate it. The ease of loading the family and comfort of driving around town quickly changes when you try to park it in a Traders Joes parking lot. Don't forget, all drive thru's aren't built for the high tops.....there goes your mocha choca latte at SB's.
8) Also, if this is truly for adventure consider other platforms with domestic drive trains, suspensions and support.

Enjoy the journey!
 

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@BritKLR Thanks for that awesome info!

I guess ADV van is definitely the better moniker and it would make sense to expand the search to domestic equivalents. I have just never been a domestic vehicle guy and my brain has an assumption (that could well be incorrect) that domestic vehicles are unreliable. I am definitely aware than Mercedes parts are more expensive. I also thought they were a pretty reliable, yet overengineered, brand. My father has only owned German or Japanese cars and passed that superstition on to me.

We would definitely be looking used. Never bought a new vehicle in my life, I just cant stomach the depreciation from an investment standpoint. Would hope to find something already built that fits our needs, ideally owned by a young couple with more $$$ than they need who wont care about taking a big financial loss as they exit van life. Not the rarest demographic with us living 40 min from Aspen. I do wonder what they are actually selling for compared to the listing prices I see on Marketplace.

Copy on the SB drive through. Im happy with a cup and a French press, but still a consideration. The vehicle we rented for a week was a RWD sprinter, 22' if I recall. Got it stuck once and the maxtrax pulled it right out, but I always did wonder about the witches on those things and how often they are used. At least for the one trip, we felt the extra space outweighed the inconvenience.

Another conundrum here is the fact that we now have the 60 and 80. I know the 60 will always be less reliable just due to age, but its been pretty great so far, and although it is admittedly inferior for wheeling, I love driving a manual truck. I keep reminding myself we could get back into an 80 in the future, and if we ever did I would probably hunt for one with a 5 speed. The 60 already has some dings.

Maybe I should expand the "ADV vehicle" search and look at the ultimate combo of impractical, expensive to maintain, and offroad capable and find a unimog build. We could probably afford one if I sold the entire fleet and daily drove it like a true madman. Then I could post on a unimog forum about wanting a Cruiser.
 

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Things change that's OK but I struggle with it too. We had a built 60 that was awesome when it was me my wife and dogs, swapped it for an cherry 80 that I thought would be my forever truck when we had Mila. I totalled that cherry 80 and now have a OK 80 but with a sorted drivetrain. We had a daily driver 40 that we both loved tooling around in a ton but I restored 8 years ago and now it never leaves the garage for fear of losing it, I think I shot myself in the foot with that one... Allison won't even drive it anymore because she's scared to mess it up. We had a neat old truck now we have an ornament. It's almost a waste at this point. I always talk about selling it. It just sits. I drive it once every year or so.

A few years after Mila was born we bought a 4 Wheel Camper and a Tundra for comfy camping and road trips. I built it for mild off road but we never really went on anything harder than webster or boreas pass with it. We now have that 4WC on a totally stock 2017 Duramax and its rad for road trips and dirt roads. Its bigger inside for our 2 dogs and 1 kid and can pull a trailer with the camper in it for occasional car races. I've lost count of how many nights we've spent in the camper, it's been so great for us.. We use it a ton. We gravitated towards the camper because it was sooooo much cheaper than a van and we figured we could have a pickup also which added utility since I was also doing an addition to our house at the time and I ride dirt bikes (occasionally) and use to ride a timbersled also. Anyhow, I'm not saying you should get a truck camper just sharing the utility of a more dedicated rig.

The 4WC and duramax is a lot cheaper (and shorter.... 8' 3" tall only.. it fits a dive thru every time) than a van but we still always talk about a Van. Bro in law just Got a Van, they are bike racers and it fits that lifestyle really well, they can go to events camp in the lots or on the way in a rest stop/wherever and store everything inside. Its a freakin awesome platform for athletes... Our 4WC takes a little effort to setup and if we store bikes inside they have to come out so we can live in it. FWIW Theirs is a new mercedes they got new a few months ago and it's already been to the dealer twice. Cracked thermostat housing during the drive home from buying it the first time (coolant loss) and second time it had a situation where it pulled all throttle because (the dealer says) a bunch of temp sensors werent in agreement on the exhaust side (sounds weird IDK)... so its back at the dealer as we speak. Anyhow, we rented a van for two weeks and camped in Norway a few years ago and really liked having a van so I am always kinda on that train of thought as well.

We like having the 80 so the fam can go wheeling and camp out of a tent. We still like that lifestyle still and the freedom it offers. The duramax and 4WC we use a ton for bigger missions that involve covering more distance. Different vibe but a lot of fun. A 200/570 would probably be awesome but I'm a sucker for older cars and the 80 is just such a cool platform. The AC works just OK and it's not huge inside but it's always a fun adventure. Its also more of a beater so we don't mind exploring wherever with it and letting the dogs just crawl all over it and spilling coffee in it etc. Sure it's tight and you might have the dogs on top of you in there but they can fit in the back next to a fridge and there's kind of a back seat.

Anyways, with a van, you can roll up to an event, find a spot, spin the front chairs around and be eating dinner in 10 minutes while it's snowing, raining, or dark and cold outside. After the race, you can slide the door open and hop in, make food, put your shoes next to the heat vent, fire up your nespresso machine for a cappuccino and be on the road or laying down in 30 mins. You have your bikes in there that you never took out but Amber used one to wheel around with the dogs while you were out. When kids come they have a nice place to sleep with heat. It'd be pretty boujee but hey its what you worked for right. When you get home you unpack the fridge and walk in the house with your two duffels. Everything else including bikes stays in and is safe/dry. Not sure what your house is like or how many guests you get but a van is also a nice extra room sometimes. We use our camper like that a lot at home actually but a van would be warmer/quieter/better.

I should sell the 40 but I'm not saying you should sell the 60. My original plan was to build the 40 back to showroom condition then drive it into the ground over the next 50 years as if I bought it new. That hasn't happened but maybe do your 60 like that. Drive it and don't be shy about using it. it's what I hear I should do a lot.

That's all I got.
 
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Things change that's OK but I struggle with it too. We had a built 60 that was awesome when it was me my wife and dogs, swapped it for an cherry 80 that I thought would be my forever truck when we had Mila. I totalled that cherry 80 and now have a OK 80 but with a sorted drivetrain. We had a daily driver 40 that we both loved tooling around in a ton but I restored 8 years ago and now it never leaves the garage for fear of losing it, I think I shot myself in the foot with that one... Allison won't even drive it anymore because she's scared to mess it up. We had a neat old truck now we have an ornament. It's almost a waste at this point. I always talk about selling it. It just sits. I drive it once every year or so.

A few years after Mila was born we bought a 4 Wheel Camper and a Tundra for comfy camping and road trips. I built it for mild off road but we never really went on anything harder than webster or boreas pass with it. We now have that 4WC on a totally stock 2017 Duramax and its rad for road trips and dirt roads. Its bigger inside for our 2 dogs and 1 kid and can pull a trailer with the camper in it for occasional car races. I've lost count of how many nights we've spent in the camper, it's been so great for us.. We use it a ton. We gravitated towards the camper because it was sooooo much cheaper than a van and we figured we could have a pickup also which added utility since I was also doing an addition to our house at the time and I ride dirt bikes (occasionally) and use to ride a timbersled also. Anyhow, I'm not saying you should get a truck camper just sharing the utility of a more dedicated rig.

The 4WC and duramax is a lot cheaper (and shorter.... 8' 3" tall only.. it fits a dive thru every time) than a van but we still always talk about a Van. Bro in law just Got a Van, they are bike racers and it fits that lifestyle really well, they can go to events camp in the lots or on the way in a rest stop/wherever and store everything inside. Its a freakin awesome platform for athletes... Our 4WC takes a little effort to setup and if we store bikes inside they have to come out so we can live in it. FWIW Theirs is a new mercedes they got new a few months ago and it's already been to the dealer twice. Cracked thermostat housing during the drive home from buying it the first time (coolant loss) and second time it had a situation where it pulled all throttle because (the dealer says) a bunch of temp sensors werent in agreement on the exhaust side (sounds weird IDK)... so its back at the dealer as we speak. Anyhow, we rented a van for two weeks and camped in Norway a few years ago and really liked having a van so I am always kinda on that train of thought as well.

We like having the 80 so the fam can go wheeling and camp out of a tent. We still like that lifestyle still and the freedom it offers. The duramax and 4WC we use a ton for bigger missions that involve covering more distance. Different vibe but a lot of fun. A 200/570 would probably be awesome but I'm a sucker for older cars and the 80 is just such a cool platform. The AC works just OK and it's not huge inside but it's always a fun adventure. Its also more of a beater so we don't mind exploring wherever with it and letting the dogs just crawl all over it and spilling coffee in it etc. Sure it's tight and you might have the dogs on top of you in there but they can fit in the back next to a fridge and there's kind of a back seat.

Anyways, with a van, you can roll up to an event, find a spot, spin the front chairs around and be eating dinner in 10 minutes while it's snowing, raining, or dark and cold outside. After the race, you can slide the door open and hop in, make food, put your shoes next to the heat vent, fire up your nespresso machine for a cappuccino and be on the road or laying down in 30 mins. You have your bikes in there that you never took out but Amber used one to wheel around with the dogs while you were out. When kids come they have a nice place to sleep with heat. It'd be pretty boujee but hey its what you worked for right. When you get home you unpack the fridge and walk in the house with your two duffels. Everything else including bikes stays in and is safe/dry. Not sure what your house is like or how many guests you get but a van is also a nice extra room sometimes. We use our camper like that a lot at home actually but a van would be warmer/quieter/better.

I should sell the 40 but I'm not saying you should sell the 60. My original plan was to build the 40 back to showroom condition then drive it into the ground over the next 50 years as if I bought it new. That hasn't happened but maybe do your 60 like that. Drive it and don't be shy about using it. it's what I hear I should do a lot.

That's all I got.
First in line for your 40!
 

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@rover67 you should drive that 40 more.. ;)
 

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Just a thought. I spend months traveling throughout the states, next summer, back to Alaska, probably 4 months. I have had truck campers, pop-ups, 5th wheel, and travel trailers. Everything small (except the 5th wheel, didn't last long, too big). With a van, yes you will be able to camp everywhere due to the small size. Why I have never had a van, C class or diesel pusher is that when you camp but want to say go out to the store or sightsee, you need to pack everything whenever you go out and every morning to leave (oh, remember you will have to unpack everytime). Whereas a small travel trailer, unhook, leave it and enjoy the day, and its ready for you when you get back. Yes, it a little more difficult driving, etc. but you get used to it, especially a small one. Mine is now only 24 overall feet, love it. Just a thought.
 

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I definitely have been through a lot of what you’re going through

I was born here in Colorado, and you could say was extremely active in many sports

I’m 53 now and started riding my dad‘s mountain bike that he bought in 1980 I still ride many of those trails to this day

I worked in the ski industry for almost 12 years and tallied many years over 100 days on the mountain

I also grew up riding dirt bikes here in Colorado and have ridden thousands and thousands of miles across and around the Moab desert. I raced a lot of the Rocky Mountain Enduro circuit as well as Enduro cross and absolutely love that sport.

I was the first person to ride 5 miles of hell on an Enduro motorcycle which at the time in 1997 was built for trials motorcycles by Dick brass.

When I met my wife in 2002 and we had our first child in 2007 many of these sports were not in my opinion family sports meaning I could still do these, but it was really just by myself

When I was 16 years old, I saved up $2200 to try to buy a FJ40 I looked at many that were available for sale here locally using the Rocky Mountain news and the Denver Post classified. I have had a love for those vehicles since as long as I can remember. I think it’s because I used to watch so many Mutual of Omaha’s wild kingdoms.

So when I was looking for something as a family, we could all enjoy in 2004. I purchased my first FJ40 from a farm outside of Lochbuie, Colorado

I was absolutely hooked

Over the years, I have had many different Land Cruisers and enjoyed every single one and think of them all as good friends.

There was never a day for about 18 years that I didn’t have at least one Land Cruisers from some vintage in the garage in our driveway. I’ve never had as many as some people at one time, but it was definitely a part of me that was really enjoyable and a great place for my mind to wander during the difficult days in life with career and work.

I used to be excited during the day after a hard day of work just to come home and maybe it was 10 minutes, but I would look forward to that 10 minutes of tinkering on some little project on one of the Land Cruisers.

In 2020 I had an FJ 60 that I had totally restored and absolutely loved, unfortunately with Covid my secure job overnight was lost. I was forced to sell the Land Cruisers and in my mind I turned the switch thinking I would never have another as it was very devastating to me.

Fast forward to last fall my son and I talked about finding another Land Cruisers to work on together. My gut instinct was surprisingly no, I’m so glad that I thought about what I was going to say and chose my words wisely the no turned into a hell, yeah, very quickly.

We found a FJ 55 and purchased it from a gentleman who purchased it in 1973

We are absolutely having a blast working on it together and restoring it and getting it ready to hit the roads in the trails and use it as a not just a vehicle to drive but a vehicle to build memories in

I have met a lot of great people in this group and can’t say how excited I am to be dipping my feet back into the waters although it seems with the FJ 55 sometimes I have no idea what I’m doing as it has some parts more in common with an international scout than a Land Cruisers I’m absolutely loving it

I’m not very good at writing, but I guess long story short life changes. You never know what the future will bring. All you can do is go for what you feel is right at the time.
 

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We do love our trailer. It’s not as easy as a van but does allow for more exploration. We can open the kitchen is less than a minute and be cooking as long as the weather is good. Takes longer if the awning needs to be deployed and even then it’s definitely no van.

If supporting other activities is the priority a van is hard to beat. Let’s you focus on running/biking/skiing whatever. If the purpose of getting out is to explore on wheels it’s hard to give up the cruiser.

Keep the 60 and buy a van. Mainly do what makes you happy that’s all that really matters.
 

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This seems to be the next level of insanity.


I do love the 80 though.... driving back from Tahoe today.
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Those big trucks might deliver what a van lacks in the 4x4 department but the size of them yields a near identical result when it comes to access. Maybe they do well in Africa or other but you’re not driving that to many if any of my favorite places in the lower 48.
 

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I have my 80 and love it and will never sell it. But I’ll never “Daily” it.

I have the house here in the Front Range and in Creede and that 5 hour drive mandates some things that over the 9 years of owning both homes has stood out: economy, comfort, safety.

In the summer I leave the 80 down there and commute in a CRV. And honestly, it gets 38mpg on the highway, is AWD, has heated seats, can go 85, and I can still do forest service roads.

Mineral county has one road that is paved and longer than 1/2 mile. It’s all dirt on either side of 149. I’m bombing around the La Garitas on 10s of miles of dirt roads in the 80 and fording streams and climbing a lot. I have an OzTent and an awning and honestly it’s pretty simple to set up and enjoy.

Everyone is different but I want my daily to be easy to drive and park and cheap to own.
 
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