Screwed for classic plate renewal

[subzali]

Aha - here it is on the Aircare website:
House Bill 13-1071 Summary
Changes the definition of a collector’s item to include vehicles that are 32 years old and older.
Requires vehicles model year 1976 and later to comply with emissions testing requirements upon registration and re-registration.
Requires the vehicle owner of a collector’s item to sign an affidavit acknowledging that the vehicle will not be driven on roadways more than 4,500 miles per year.

Who Does the Bill Impact?
Motorists who own a vehicle at least 32 years old are now able to register the vehicle as a collector’s item.
Motorists who own a 1976 and newer model year vehicle that was registered as a collector’s item prior to September 2009. Beginning August 7th, 2013, to re-register a collector’s item that is model year 1976 or later, the owner must have a certificate of emissions compliance.

Benefits to Vehicle Owners [hint: there are no benefits to those who were already grandfathered in and had emissions-exempt status]
Increases the number of vehicles that may qualify as a collector’s item.
Allows vehicles model year 1976 and later, that are registered as a collector’s item, to comply with emissions requirements every five years instead of on an annual or biannual cycle.
Allows vehicles model year 1976 and later, that are registered as a collector’s item, to complete the license plate renewal process every five years instead of annually.

 

[Hulk]

2013 - 32 years = 1981. So if I bought back my old FJ40, at least I could get collector's plates again and would only need to get it emissions tested every 5 years. That's certainly better than previous for new owners of old vehicles.

I wonder: Where did they come up with 32 years? Such an odd number.

 

[nuclearlemon]

2013 - 32 years = 1981. So if I bought back my old FJ40, at least I could get collector's plates again and would only need to get it emissions tested every 5 years. That's certainly better than previous for new owners of old vehicles.

I wonder: Where did they come up with 32 years? Such an odd number.

i believe the emissions regulations changed in 82. hence the stricter testing for 82 and newer at scarecare colorado stations

 

[CardinalFJ60]

too bad they don't go by build date

I have a build date of 11/76, too bad it's model year and not build date.

 

[subzali]

I have a build date of 11/76, too bad it's model year and not build date.

Yeah, but yours and mine are still 2 years too late. 10/76 here

 

[teamextreme]

Sonofabitch. I double checked when I registered it and it was actually early July, so I guess I just squeeked in and at least got a 5 year reprieve from needing an e-test. This sucks. Of course they'll probably change things again before I have to renew again.

 

[jps8460]

I've been hording emissions parts for quite some time. If you need to borrow some stuff to get you passed PM me. I have a kit (full exhaust, intake carb everything) that I swap on to pass emissions. then I go back to a desmog for a 4mpg and 15 or so HP increase for driving. It's an 8hr ass beating, but worth it for the trips that I do.

or just get a PO box in summit county or something so that you can register up there. Sorry if I' repeating info, didn't take the time to read all of the replies.

 

[subzali]

Sonofabitch. I double checked when I registered it and it was actually early July, so I guess I just squeeked in and at least got a 5 year reprieve from needing an e-test. This sucks. Of course they'll probably change things again before I have to renew again.

Maybe, but it won't get any better. Only more restrictive

 

[teamextreme]

I've been hording emissions parts for quite some time. If you need to borrow some stuff to get you passed PM me.

or just get a PO box in summit county or something so that you can register up there. Sorry if I' repeating info, didn't take the time to read all of the replies.

Thanks, mine's a SBC though. Only thing I've needed to do in the past before collector plates was to have a working air pump system, which is no longer installed. I did save all the plumbing, but my new headers don't have any ports. I'm doing a later model EFI swap, so maybe a trip to the referee is the best approach, although they may still have used the air injection on my donor motor, I'll have to research. Funny thing is all the e-tests I got and nobody ever questioned the V8. Just wanted to see the air system.

I do have access to a PO box in Summit county, 2 in fact, but someone posted they have cracked down on that trick (has to be same address as on your license). Not sure how accurate that info is, have to research that option too.

 

[Crash]

I've been hording emissions parts for quite some time. If you need to borrow some stuff to get you passed PM me. I have a kit (full exhaust, intake carb everything) that I swap on to pass emissions. then I go back to a desmog for a 4mpg and 15 or so HP increase for driving. It's an 8hr ass beating, but worth it for the trips that I do.

or just get a PO box in summit county or something so that you can register up there. Sorry if I' repeating info, didn't take the time to read all of the replies.

Sorry if I seem to be repeating info, too, but you can't just get a PO box in an outlying county or use your buddies cabin address when applying for auto registration. In Colorado, you have one legal residence and that is what you must use for registering your vehicle. If you have a drivers license issued in an emissions county then you are stuck with having to get your cars through emissions testing. The only way around it, that I see, is to get your license issued in a non-participating county and that is more of a long-term hassle than swapping emission gear in and out every year if you remain living in the Front Range.

 

[teamextreme]

I guess they chose closing that loophole over allowing a valid exemption and creating a huge inconvenience for a small group of people? I can see someone living in Denver and having a weekend cabin somewhere in the hills with a dedicated cabin rig(and I actually know a guy with this same scenario), lets make it worst case scenario, it's in Durango. Now every 2 years (assuming non-collector) he has to drive that cabin vehicle all the way from Durango to Denver and back just to get an emmissions test done. Unfortunately for this guy he's getting screwed to prevent all the other people circumventing the law.

Do you know if that info is published anywhere on the State's or Envirocare's website?

 

[kurtnkegger]

Non collector plates on my 77 FJ40 require yearly tail pipe puff tests.

 

[nakman]

What if you guys just drive past a bunch of those mobile van things... can you skip the rigamarole? http://aircarecolorado.com/locations-and-maps/truck-locations/

 

[Air Randy]

Sorry if I seem to be repeating info, too, but you can't just get a PO box in an outlying county or use your buddies cabin address when applying for auto registration. In Colorado, you have one legal residence and that is what you must use for registering your vehicle. If you have a drivers license issued in an emissions county then you are stuck with having to get your cars through emissions testing. The only way around it, that I see, is to get your license issued in a non-participating county and that is more of a long-term hassle than swapping emission gear in and out every year if you remain living in the Front Range.

Well, I have 3 collector vehicles registered at my daughters address since she lives in a non-emissions county. The last was purchased 3 months ago. On the first two nobody ever asked to see my DL to verify my residence. On the most recent one, the lady asked and I just told her it has my old address on it since you have at least 90 days in Colo to get your license changed when you move.

 

[subzali]

What if you guys just drive past a bunch of those mobile van things... can you skip the rigamarole? http://aircarecolorado.com/locations-and-maps/truck-locations/

Nope

From your link,

"To be eligible for the benefits of RapidScreen, a vehicle must be gasoline-powered, of the model year 1982 or newer and registered in Adams, Arapahoe, Boulder, Broomfield, Denver, Douglas, Jefferson, Larimer, or Weld counties. Vehicles that are not eligible for RapidScreen include models made in 1981 or earlier, diesel-powered or alternative fuel vehicles, government vehicles, vehicles with outstanding emissions failures, or any vehicle weighing more than 10,000 pounds."

 

[RockRunner]

Well, Wyoming has no state income tax, and no corporate tax either. You could buy an acre, set up an LLC and small internet biz and register your cars as company vehicles. Obviously, you would need to show some plausible income from that business and be able to justify having a car, but that's not too difficult. I have a side LLC that sells products on Amazon and that can more or less be run from anywhere. Or, wouldn't it just be easier to pay the emission fee and have your truck running right? lol

Working on that now for all our vehicles but another state. Same idea just a little different set up, pay for LLC but save $1000's a year on registrations.

 

[Rzeppa]

Just one data point here, I just received my 5 year renewal for my 1971 FJ40 that already has collector's plates, and it does not say I need an emissions test. I am just going to pay my $183.17 and be happy I don't have additional hassles. For this particular interface with our state government.

I just got done spending an hour and a half (on top of the hours I have already spent) wasting time on the state health insurance exchange. That story would no doubt be better posted in the political section of our forum...

 

[SteveH]

I got the renewal notice for my '78 FJ40 last month. It oddly seems to have gone down in price - 5 years is now $185, I and I know my last set of plates was north of $250. I'm not complaining. I live in a non-e-test county, so that is not part of this issue.

I looked up the last collector car bill that passed in Colo., and it was a mix of Dems and Repubs that have hosed us this time - a few more Dems and Repubs. I wonder if we (and some other like minded sorts) can't find a liberty-minded rep to sponsor something consistent and easy to follow to revised the collector car bill? The regs that gets passed seem always to be a hodge-podge of slapped-together junk that makes life difficult for collector car owners. I understand that the rolling 25 year deal was opposed (a few years back) by a collector car group who didn't want to see collector plates on 25 year old Japanese stuff (it was 'too new' for them).

My conclusion is this: we are supposed to be represented by our state house critters, and yet we're merely victims of the whims of whatever klutzes there cobble together a collector car bill every few years. I agree that the goal is to marginalize/outlaw those 'old unsafe stinkers' where possible and practical.

Steve

 

[nuclearlemon]

Just one data point here, I just received my 5 year renewal for my 1971 FJ40 that already has collector's plates, and it does not say I need an emissions test.

from the first post "This is something to be aware of if you have a '76+ that is registered as a collectors, you are now required to pass emissions every 5 years in order to renew your registration."

 

[treerootCO]

December of 1978... No emissions required. Renewed for 5 more years