Screwed for classic plate renewal

[velorider4]

I just went thru the process of smogging my 76 with a SBC engine. I am not grandfathered in on the classic tags so I will have to get inspections every year.

I had to remove my headers and put on rams horn manifolds with the air rail holes. Put on air rails and air pump. No EGR and No catalyst. It was not the original engine in the vehicle but the couple stickers on the hood and door jamb saying non-catalyst was enough for the Air Care folks not to care. The stickers do say EGR but they didn't seem concerned with that piece of equipment being on.

In short if you have the air pump you should be good. I wouldn't worry about the EGR. If your vehicle is new enough that the engine should have a catalytic converter I think they are going to want to see one.

I passed on the first try. The standards for the sniff test is not hard to get to. You could easily do it with a properly tuned engine and/or leaned out carburetor. The visual inspection is the hard part. IMO.

 

[Toyoland66]

Wait, does this mean I can now register my '77 as a collector vehicle and only have to test it every 5 years instead of every year now? If so I may be in the minority that actually LIKES these changes!

Look at section 42-12-101(2)(c)(I), the way I interpret that is if the vehicle is 32 years old you are eligible for collectors plates, and per 42.4.304(3)(b)(ii) and 42.4.310 if the vehicle is 76 or newer and registered as a collector the emissions are required every 5 years.

So, the good news, if your vehicle is 32 years old you are now eligible where as under the 2009 law you were not.

The bad news, if you have a 76+ and were grandfathered into the old law you are now required to pass emissions every 5 years.

 

[Firetacoma]

That's kind of what I was reading... I guess it might be worth a phone call before I go in next time!

 

[treerootCO]

Anyone want to buy a 1978 FJ40? You forgot to mention the mandated 15-20% ethanol that makes all of the old iron less efficient. This was planned all along, it wasn't a surprise to the folks that make up these laws.

I have eleven (11) 5 year collector's plates that are due in October. NONE of that revenue is going to Colorado this year (if this BS is true).

 

[SteveH]

I no longer get collectors plates, in that you lay out (say) ~$280 up front, and if you transfer the plates to another eligible collector car, they 'pro-rate' the plate value severely.

So, I lost most of the 5 years of registration value when I swapped after 2 years. I'll go year-to-year and avoid this Colorado TAX on collector cars. I'd only keep the plates going on a truck you are sure you will keep for at least another 5 years.

 

[Jacket]

Without reading all the details of the changes, is this relatively new? I renewed my '76 for another 5 years in the spring, but didn't have to do an emissions test.

 

[Toyoland66]

Without reading all the details of the changes, is this relatively new? I renewed my '76 for another 5 years in the spring, but didn't have to do an emissions test.

Passed in june and came into effect in august.

 

[Crash]

Without reading all the details of the changes, is this relatively new? I renewed my '76 for another 5 years in the spring, but didn't have to do an emissions test.

Timing is everything - good job Matt!

 

[Crash]

Anyone want to buy a 1978 FJ40? You forgot to mention the mandated 15-20% ethanol that makes all of the old iron less efficient. This was planned all along, it wasn't a surprise to the folks that make up these laws.

I have eleven (11) 5 year collector's plates that are due in October. NONE of that revenue is going to Colorado this year (if this BS is true).

'Root, you've mentioned the mandatory 15-20% ethanol coming soon to a pump near you and I've seen the ad on TV about writing your congresspeople to not impose legislation to this effect. Do we have a thread going on the forum that discusses the possibility of E15/20 so we can all see what is going on and act accordingly? Who needs to worry about keeping trails open if we can't get fuel that our vehicles will run on??

 

[OilHammer]

The following states do not have emissions testing: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Florida, Hawaii, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, West Virginia, Wyoming.



For states that do not have emissions testing, form DR 2698 Verification of Vehicle Identification Number is required in place of a passing emissions test.

I think the club needs to buy a ranch in Wyoming where all of our collector vehicles get "stored".

 

[Jacket]

I think the club needs to buy a ranch in Wyoming where all of our collector vehicles get "stored".

I thought we were buying a ranch in Nicaragua...

 

[OilHammer]

Or guatemala. Either one would allow you to buy your sweet 70 series and drive it to the states for a year. Of course, you need $80k cash to buy just the truck. Doh!

 

[Romer]

I thought there were counties in Colorado that did not require emissions testing. Just find a guy with a cabin

 

[Crash]

According to the folks I talked to last year when registering the '77 40 you have one "legal" residence in Colorado and that your vehicles must be registered in the county of that legal residence. No registering in the county where your second home/cabin is unless you make the cabin address the address on your driver's license. I tried but got shot down. If there is a way to register to another residence other than your house address I'd like to know it.

 

[OilHammer]

According to the folks I talked to last year when registering the '77 40 you have one "legal" residence in Colorado and that your vehicles must be registered in the county of that legal residence. No registering in the county where your second home/cabin is unless you make the cabin address the address on your driver's license. I tried but got shot down. If there is a way to register to another residence other than your house address I'd like to know it.

Well, Wyoming has no state income tax, and no corporate tax either. You could buy an acre, set up an LLC and small internet biz and register your cars as company vehicles. Obviously, you would need to show some plausible income from that business and be able to justify having a car, but that's not too difficult. I have a side LLC that sells products on Amazon and that can more or less be run from anywhere. Or, wouldn't it just be easier to pay the emission fee and have your truck running right? lol

 

[Kipper]

Really loving my '66 these days. It was a pretty nice cruise in to Boulder this morning. Wouldn't be surprised if I had to get emissions done in 4 years when I'm due the way things are going.

 

[Crash]

Well, Wyoming has no state income tax, and no corporate tax either. You could buy an acre, set up an LLC and small internet biz and register your cars as company vehicles. Obviously, you would need to show some plausible income from that business and be able to justify having a car, but that's not too difficult. I have a side LLC that sells products on Amazon and that can more or less be run from anywhere. Or, wouldn't it just be easier to pay the emission fee and have your truck running right? lol

The 40 blew extra clean sans smog equipment last Nov. when registering it for the first time. It came from Ft. Morgan and had been completely desmogged and it still is.

 

[teamextreme]

There was just a thread on this a few weeks ago, I thought it was here, maybe it was colo4x... There was the same panic and pissed off thoughts on the change in that thread too, which got me worked up since I have a 76 with collector plates. If I'm reading right, the OP had issues and they wouldn't let him re-register? I think everyone's getting worked up for no reason, at least for those who are grandfathered.

In regards to those grandfathered, I don't think there is any change. I just registered mine in August, via the mail, with no problems. Read the law carefully again, pertinent words highlighted by myself..

"Model year 1976 or later that was registered as a collector's item prior to September 1, 2009; except that a vehicle so registered is not eligible for registration as a collector's item upon sale or transfer to a new owner; or

(c) A model year at least thirty-two years old; except that, if the vehicle is being registered in the program area, as defined in section 42-4-304:

(I) The vehicle must have passed an emissions test meeting the standards of part 3 of article 4 of this title within the last twelve months before being INITIALLY registered by the owner as a collector's item"

In other words, if it's currently registered as collector, then still no emissions should be required because you're not INITIALLY registering it, you're renewing it.

What am I missing??

 

[Rezarf]

So what are the odds that I can pass the non-enhanced test without the egr or air pump installed assuming I can pass the sniffer?

I passed last time without any smog equipment... I did pass the sniffer.

 

[subzali]

There was just a thread on this a few weeks ago, I thought it was here, maybe it was colo4x... There was the same panic and pissed off thoughts on the change in that thread too, which got me worked up since I have a 76 with collector plates. If I'm reading right, the OP had issues and they wouldn't let him re-register? I think everyone's getting worked up for no reason, at least for those who are grandfathered.

In regards to those grandfathered, I don't think there is any change. I just registered mine in August, via the mail, with no problems. Read the law carefully again, pertinent words highlighted by myself..

"Model year 1976 or later that was registered as a collector's item prior to September 1, 2009; except that a vehicle so registered is not eligible for registration as a collector's item upon sale or transfer to a new owner; or

(c) A model year at least thirty-two years old; except that, if the vehicle is being registered in the program area, as defined in section 42-4-304:

(I) The vehicle must have passed an emissions test meeting the standards of part 3 of article 4 of this title within the last twelve months before being INITIALLY registered by the owner as a collector's item"

In other words, if it's currently registered as collector, then still no emissions should be required because you're not INITIALLY registering it, you're renewing it.

What am I missing??

You have to read further down. 42-12-101 defines what is a collector vehicle. My 1977 FJ40 registered as a collector's vehicle before 2009 is considered to be a collector's vehicle under the law. The difference is that you can now register, say, a 1977 FJ40 as a collector vehicle as long as you meet the requirements for the emissions test.

The other difference is here, and applies to ALL collector vehicles, even the ones that were grandfathered in. 42-4-304 says this: "the executive director shall establish a biennial inspection schedule for 1982 and newer model vehicles, an annual inspection schedule for 1981 and older model vehicles, and a five-year inspection schedule for a 1976 or newer motor vehicle registered as a collector's item."

Additionally, 42-4-310 says, "To be sold or transferred or to renew the registration, 1976 and newer model motor vehicles registered as a collector's item under article 12 of this title must be inspected and have a certification of emissions control. The certification of emissions control is valid for sixty months." <----This part is different for those of us that got grandfathered into the collector program.