Prepping for COVID-19 society shutdown

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We don’t keep prepper levels of food around but living in the mountains kinda forces us to be prepared by default. We shopped a bit before the shit hit the fan in town. Just working on the truck, greenhouse, and relaxing. Went for a nice golf cart ride today.

Easy on the back and forth this is a nice discussion thread. Think about the good stuff and be smart.

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House work and getting my 3yr old boy on the reloading bench. That stockpile of brass I have been putting off isn't going to get prepped by itself.

Although, I will never get quarantined. I work overnights at Denver Health. All this is causing me to get is even less sleep than I already get. So far I've been up for around 32hrs straight.
 

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Been so busy with work in the shop the last week that I haven't left the farm. I have plenty of work to stay busy here for months and really would just need some milk to go for several weeks. (y)Well water (y) TP(y)Ammo(y)Canned goods(y)Meat in the freezer(y)Dry goods(y)Plenty of logs to saw(y)Gasoline(y)Diesel fuel(y)Generator(y)Projects and kitchens to work on
 

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You can always milk the squirrels James, then you are good to go. ;)
 

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It's already being discouraged that you work, talk to neighbors, visit family. Most people are scared of their own shadows. Society has for years now clamored for total security. Putting yourself willingly into house arrest is pretty much what you wanted and now it's happening.

In Italy and now Spain recreational bike riding has been made illegal. They are closing the outside, removing the freedom to move around and do what you want unless you're deemed essentially useful, which apparently the majority of time you are not. Even if things like this are temporary, the effect is persistent. Invoke a boogeyman and they can scare the world witless, put the prison into lockdown.

https://www.brujulabike.com/cycling-banned-Spain-Coronavirus

Riding a bike in Spain is forbidden
Before discussing the measures affecting our favourite sport, we would like to emphasise that, for our part at least, this is the least of the consequences of the exceptional situation we are experiencing.​
According to the newspaper El País, the decree that will be presented by the President of the Government in the next few minutes indicates that citizens will only be able to circulate on public roads in order to:​
  • Acquisition of food, pharmaceuticals and basic necessities
  • Assistance to health centres
  • Travel to the place of work to carry out your professional or business activity
  • Return to the place of habitual residence
  • Support and care for the elderly, children, dependants, disabled or particularly vulnerable persons
  • Attendance at financial institutions
  • Due to force majeure or necessity
  • Any other activity of a similar nature properly justified
Beyond the legal requirement, the rules that we should apply out of common sense are more important:​
  • If you go out cycling and have an accident your health care will have a very negative impact on a healthcare system that is on the verge of collapse
  • When you train outdoors you have more options to spread the infection or to catch it yourself
As a result of the article we published on the same ban that was imposed in Italy a few days ago, we have received several criticisms that there is no express ban in the Italian decree, just as there surely will be in the Spanish decree. Before these critical voices appear again, we will say that in Italy the reality, contrasted with several cyclists and sportsmen who live there, is that security agents are ordering those who try to go out on a bike or do sport in the street to return to their homes, in some cases with a significant financial penalty.​
After all this, we want to appeal to the individual responsibility that has been talked about so much in the last few days and make everyone aware that going out on a bike will not be a good idea in the next few days. Unless it is used as a means of transport.​
There is no doubt that training at home, either on a roller or with other types of exercises, will be the best option for keeping in shape, and not losing your head, in the tense days ahead.​
I’ll play devils advocate here:

Firstly, I’ll just use your point as an example Dave, and by no means take this as a personal attack. I’m all about libertarianism in principle. However, nearly all the “libertarian” folks online are actually much closer to anarchists based on their posts.

In theory, the governments only function should be to regulate society only enough that all citizens can enjoy life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness (whatever that may mean to each individual). Therefore, laws, even temporary ones, should emanate from that principle.

In the case of trail closures, there is an excellent argument that the government is vastly overstepping its bounds. In the case of requiring people to act in accordance with the best medical advice available to prevent the spread of a highly contagious and, for the elder population, lethal virus, the government is enacting law that protects life.

The argument “we are all sheep for hiding in our homes” is further invalid here in Colorado. There are no such laws. People have been informed of a threat, given guidance on the best practices to remain healthy, and then they have made a personal choice to remain in their homes. How is that not liberty?

The idea that any government action of any kind is anti-liberal is, in my humble opinion, wrong. That view point is anti-government which defines anarchy. That is fine if that’s how a person wants to roll. I question the preparedness of the majority of us to live in an anarchic society, but that’s just my take.

Anyway, again, no personal judgment or attack. Simply just putting forth a different point of view. Happy trails all!
 

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There are no such laws [in Colorado].
Yet.

They're coming.

This happened in San Francisco.

San Francisco Bay area officials order nearly 7 million people to ‘shelter in place’ to curb coronavirus spread

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/san...o-stay-inside-except-for-essential-needs.html

'While the order will shutter businesses across the region, officials emphasized that essential businesses like grocery stores and pharmacies will remain in operation and that the order will not strictly confine people to their homes. Officials added that restaurants will remain open for delivery and takeout.

Colfax added that anyone who leaves the county while the order is in place, except for essential travel, “would be out of compliance coming back.”

“We’re going to take a compassionate, common-sense approach,” Chief of San Francisco police William Scott said. “We’re asking the public to voluntarily comply. Now, this order by law is enforceable as a misdemeanor, or failure to comply with it, but that is an absolute last resort."'



Gov. Polis: Restaurants, casinos, theaters to close across state

https://www.9news.com/article/news/...nts-casinos-theaters-to-close-across-colorado
 

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We're going to be out riding bikes in the USA, Dave. But 6 feet apart. ;)

Even in San Fran Cali, they are still saying going out to get fresh air is ok. We're a big spread out country, and different measures will need to be put into place for different areas and density. You'll be riding your bike in the hills while others will be under martial law in some cities. That's just how it will need to happen. Peace.
 

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It's a momentary reprieve from the insanity. Seems like every announcement is out to be more looney than the previous one. Talking to friends they mentioned their 529 investments have tanked so much their youngest kid (a high school senior) is going to have to defer fall enrollment in college. Real people are getting really hurt by the hysteria. They also canceled the Junior College baseball World Series that happens each May. That's a major boost, $3 million, economically to GJ.

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A key part of this is central Illinois has zero cases so justification derives from an event that hasn't occurred.

https://www.wandtv.com/news/executi...cle_a433c8c6-64b1-11ea-8475-2f1a7f3b3aee.html

CHAMPAIGN, Ill. (WAND) - Champaign Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen has issued an executive order declaring an emergency in the city.​
City officials said the emergency is related to the COVID-19, which is anticipated to cause an impact on the health of community members. Champaign Municipal Code allows the mayor to declare an emergency for a limited time.​
Included in the executive order are ordinances that would give the city extraordinary powers to the Mayor.​
  • Violating parts of the Open Meetings Act
  • Ban sale of firearms and ammunition
  • Ban sale of any alcohol
  • Closing of all bars, taverns, liquor stores, etc
  • Ban sale or giving away of gasoline or other liquid flammable or combustible products in any container other than a gasoline tank permanently fixed to a motor vehicle
  • Direct the shutoff of power, water, gas, etc
  • Take possession of private property and obtain full title to same
  • Prohibit or restrict ingress and egress to and from the City
"The executive order allows the city to be flexible to properly respond to the emergency needs of our community. None of the options will necessarily will be implemented but are available in order to protect the welfare and safety of our community if needed," Jeff Hamilton the City of Champaign's Communications Manger told WAND-TV.​
 
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Suncor Energy sent all non-essential personnel home, allowing people to work from home. Had to turn my family room into my new cubicle.
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Suncor Energy sent all non-essential personnel home, allowing people to work from home. Had to turn my family room into my new cubicle.
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Don't you like being "non-essential"? ;)

Not so lucky here. The only people CoorsTek has allowed to work from home are the corporate folks. All of the manufacturing plants are still open and operating as normal.
 

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Here's a really good analysis by McKinsey as of yesterday (16 March 2020). While I question the accuracy of the Chinese data, this is worth the read.
https://assets.mckinsey.com/busines...vid-19-implications-for-business?cid=cl4c-cml
"Being optimistic about demand recovery is a real problem, especially for companies with working-capital or liquidity shortages and those veering toward bankruptcy."

That's an understatement, isn't it? The market is so thin and facing a need for something like $2 trillion in immediate liquidity (e.g. TARP) for over $50 trillion in global assets. That's not even to speak of what's going to happen in bonds, the yield curve going under 1% recently and cost going over 60% on 30-year. It's like the financial system knew it needed a cover story so no one notices when it implodes.
 

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This may merit a separate thread, but I'm kind of overwhelmed right now with trying to figure out how to financially take advantage of this crisis. I subscribe to The Motley Fool and they gave examples that proved to be exponentially advantageous during the 2008 downturn but I'm struggling to know how to time doubling down. My biggest concern is that we are just now starting to see the beginnings of the financial crisis and any moves to invest right now will just result in greater losses.
 

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This may merit a separate thread, but I'm kind of overwhelmed right now with trying to figure out how to financially take advantage of this crisis. I subscribe to The Motley Fool and they gave examples that proved to be exponentially advantageous during the 2008 downturn but I'm struggling to know how to time doubling down.
It should be indicative when the FED fires the money cannon to the tune of $700 billion and the futures trigger the down-stop 10 minutes later. There's a long way left to fall in the market.
 

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Don't you like being "non-essential"? ;)

Not so lucky here. The only people CoorsTek has allowed to work from home are the corporate folks. All of the manufacturing plants are still open and operating as normal.

Yeah my dad is still working at the can plant. He said they have no plans to idle, shut down or change any schedules.
 
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