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New shoes for the 80
- Thread starter Corbet
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Figured I'd report back now that I've probably got 10,000 miles on the tires.
I've really liked them. Noise still is not bad but has gotten louder as they have worn. We run them to Myrtle Beach, SC and back in June. Hit some serious rain near Asheville, NC. They handled it great at 70 MPH including standing water. Also had a major hail storm in eastern CO that also gave the Generals no issue. However they suck in snow, a late May stormed proved it.
Wear is hard to judge as the first 3000 miles was very hard on them. CM-prerun, Farmington NM, Arch Canyon, and CM11. All took their toll on them. Since then wear has hardly been noticeable. No chunking, just rounding off the sharp block edges as expected. I've settled on 13psi for trail service.
Mud, have not seen any but I would guess they would be average at best. I consider these an aggressive AT tire which is perfect for my DD truck.
I've really liked them. Noise still is not bad but has gotten louder as they have worn. We run them to Myrtle Beach, SC and back in June. Hit some serious rain near Asheville, NC. They handled it great at 70 MPH including standing water. Also had a major hail storm in eastern CO that also gave the Generals no issue. However they suck in snow, a late May stormed proved it.
Wear is hard to judge as the first 3000 miles was very hard on them. CM-prerun, Farmington NM, Arch Canyon, and CM11. All took their toll on them. Since then wear has hardly been noticeable. No chunking, just rounding off the sharp block edges as expected. I've settled on 13psi for trail service.
Mud, have not seen any but I would guess they would be average at best. I consider these an aggressive AT tire which is perfect for my DD truck.
Final thoughts.
So yesterday I retired the Generals. I don't know my total mileage as I did not log it every season when I swapped tires but I'd guess around 35,000 miles. They had a little life yet but I don't like running things down to nothing.
Overall I really liked these tires and it was hard not to buy them again. After many trips of hard wheeling I only had a hand full of small chunks. Despite not rotating them as often as I should they wore pretty evenly. And were pretty quiet on the HWY down to the end. I did not experience any punctures or sidewall cuts during the life of them. I generally had to rebalance a couple every spring when they got swapped over but my local tire shop always did that for free.
Complaints: Snow performance was dismal. I only got caught in one spring storm with them but it was bad. Tread life.
My replacements are Toyo Open Country MT's. Basically the only reason I went this way was tread life. The Toyo's start with 21/32" of rubber where the General's start at 18/22". Treeroot reported an impressive lifespan out of his Toyo's plus they are basically the most popular tire down this way on the Oil/Gas field trucks. Only time will tell if I like them better.
So yesterday I retired the Generals. I don't know my total mileage as I did not log it every season when I swapped tires but I'd guess around 35,000 miles. They had a little life yet but I don't like running things down to nothing.
Overall I really liked these tires and it was hard not to buy them again. After many trips of hard wheeling I only had a hand full of small chunks. Despite not rotating them as often as I should they wore pretty evenly. And were pretty quiet on the HWY down to the end. I did not experience any punctures or sidewall cuts during the life of them. I generally had to rebalance a couple every spring when they got swapped over but my local tire shop always did that for free.
Complaints: Snow performance was dismal. I only got caught in one spring storm with them but it was bad. Tread life.
My replacements are Toyo Open Country MT's. Basically the only reason I went this way was tread life. The Toyo's start with 21/32" of rubber where the General's start at 18/22". Treeroot reported an impressive lifespan out of his Toyo's plus they are basically the most popular tire down this way on the Oil/Gas field trucks. Only time will tell if I like them better.
smslavin
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curious to hear how you'll like those. when i originally built my fj, it was a toss up for me between those and the nitto trail grapplers. i may go toyos on the next truck.
I was also looking at the Nitto Trail Grapplers. The Oil/Gas guys like those too but the Toyo a little better.
My initial impression of the Toyo is good but I think I liked the Generals better. The Toyo's are about a loud new as the Generals were in the end. Kind of hard to tell as the frequency of sound is different. The Toyo's definitely seem to wander on the road a little. They are also a little squirrelly in the corners compared to the Generals too. But that is to be expected as there is more void in the shoulders with taller lugs.
It will probably be Father's Day before I wheel the truck again so offroad performance will have to wait. I expect them to be strong there.
I'm not unhappy with the Toyo's really in any way. Just my observations so far. If I adhere to a strict rotation schedule and get 50K of even tread-wear I'm sure I'll love the tire.
My initial impression of the Toyo is good but I think I liked the Generals better. The Toyo's are about a loud new as the Generals were in the end. Kind of hard to tell as the frequency of sound is different. The Toyo's definitely seem to wander on the road a little. They are also a little squirrelly in the corners compared to the Generals too. But that is to be expected as there is more void in the shoulders with taller lugs.
It will probably be Father's Day before I wheel the truck again so offroad performance will have to wait. I expect them to be strong there.
I'm not unhappy with the Toyo's really in any way. Just my observations so far. If I adhere to a strict rotation schedule and get 50K of even tread-wear I'm sure I'll love the tire.
I put a set of the Nitto Trail Grapplers on my 100 last summer, did some runs then off to 100s in the hills and they are great!
I run 50 psi on pavement. When I first aired them down they looked too squished IMO but I just let less air out after that.
They were unbelievable on snow! And the on line chart only shows so so for snow and I don't know why! They were great! I tried to make the truck slide around but it was hard to do it!
I run 50 psi on pavement. When I first aired them down they looked too squished IMO but I just let less air out after that.
They were unbelievable on snow! And the on line chart only shows so so for snow and I don't know why! They were great! I tried to make the truck slide around but it was hard to do it!
smslavin
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When I sold the FJ, the Nittos had about 52k on them and at least another 10k in them. 5 wheel rotation every 5k. I was pretty impressed.
Definitely looking forward to your thoughts on the Toyos.
Get Outside said:
I had the same experience.
I'm going to shoot for a 3K rotation schedule. All 5 tires of course.
I will not really form a snow opinion as they will get pulled come November 1 for the studded Duratracs
I will not really form a snow opinion as they will get pulled come November 1 for the studded Duratracs
Pretty much sums up my experiences so far.I'm 3000 miles into them now after just 30 days. Yah I drive a lot. I've had one replace due to a "Radial Pull" defect. I've rotated them 3 times already. Honestly only one combo had me driving straight. The tire that has been on the truck the longest is already down 3/32" in tread.
So all and all I'm really not happy with these tires. Road noise is fine and traction is great. But unless they get harder as they wear I'm looking at only 20K in life and that could be only 6 months for me.
At this point I can't ever see buying them again nor recommending them to anyone.My last set the Red Label Generals drove straight as an arrow and I got around 35K out of them despite having 4/32" less rubber to begin with.
mcgaskins
Rising Sun Member
Are these the Toyo MTs? A tenth an inch of wear in 3,000 miles?! That's crazy!
In the "for what it's worth" category I'm about 8 months in on a set of Toyo Open Country AT 2s and am quite happy. I'm running 285/75s (not ready to regear) and have had it off-road several times on Kingston Peak, Devil's Canyon, Mt. Princeton, Snow/Pizza run, etc.
The AT tread is definitely harder than the mud terrains and likely won't grip the gnarly stuff as well, but I've found them to be a great solution for blended driving.
They're quieter than my truck itself is, so I don't notice road noise. The tread is wearing evenly and is very deep after 15,000 miles. They're supposed to be rated to 50,000.
Unless something goes very wrong, I suspect I'll be a Toyo fan for a long time.
The AT tread is definitely harder than the mud terrains and likely won't grip the gnarly stuff as well, but I've found them to be a great solution for blended driving.
They're quieter than my truck itself is, so I don't notice road noise. The tread is wearing evenly and is very deep after 15,000 miles. They're supposed to be rated to 50,000.
Unless something goes very wrong, I suspect I'll be a Toyo fan for a long time.
something's not right Corbet. My 80 was as heavy is yours is and I got 40k out of my set of Toyos.. including a trip to Rubithon, and countless Moab and Co adventures. They always balanced well and ran straight, got a little loud towards the end but other that that were a decent tire. They got spooky in snow though particularly towards the end of their life, definitely not good for winter highway travel.
but something's not adding up... what's your born on dates? they all the same?
but something's not adding up... what's your born on dates? they all the same?
simps80
Rising Sun Member
Toyo compound changed resulting in significantly lower life corresponding to some production facility move or something iirc
John bought new after mike had his for a while and johns wore out b4 mikes
John bought new after mike had his for a while and johns wore out b4 mikes
Born on dates are 5212 from memory well except the one that was put on in warranty. I heard about the compound change from Mike too. Not sure when that went into effect but mine are USA production tires. I think the long lasting ones might have been Japan?
Anyway my shocks are in pretty bad shape. I plan to replace them asap. Hoping that helps a little.
Anyway my shocks are in pretty bad shape. I plan to replace them asap. Hoping that helps a little.
Tire rotation today so time for an update.
This is my 4th rotation with approx 8000 miles after speedo correction for my 4.88's. All 4 on the truck measured 17/32" with the spare at 19. These started at 21/32" according to the web but I never measured when new.
I'm doing an x pattern rotation with all five tires. I'm really not happy about the rate of wear but I will report they are at least wearing evenly with no cupping or chunking. I've only wheeled them in the San Juans so no real trail abuse. Noise is unchanged to the ear. I'm running 39 psi for my 6800lb truck.
This is my 4th rotation with approx 8000 miles after speedo correction for my 4.88's. All 4 on the truck measured 17/32" with the spare at 19. These started at 21/32" according to the web but I never measured when new.
I'm doing an x pattern rotation with all five tires. I'm really not happy about the rate of wear but I will report they are at least wearing evenly with no cupping or chunking. I've only wheeled them in the San Juans so no real trail abuse. Noise is unchanged to the ear. I'm running 39 psi for my 6800lb truck.