Maze Run 2011, Nov. 9-13
- Thread starter Caribou Sandstorm
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Chris/Wes, it sounds like I am in for the White Rim too. Been wanting to check it out for years and it definitely helps make the long trip worth it.
A friend of mine from high school/college is coming along (Ted) and says he is OK with vacation time to hit the Rim and the Maze.
A friend of mine from high school/college is coming along (Ted) and says he is OK with vacation time to hit the Rim and the Maze.
Caribou Sandstorm
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Caribou Sandstorm
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rover67
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Maybe because then it shows up when somebody hits the new posts button?
Caribou Sandstorm
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Bingo! I get it, bump usually means bring it to the top, a sticky is already at the top.
I just wanted to make sure guys saw the important info about getting your vehicle/park pass, understanding that the visitor center at Needles and ranger stations close at 4:30pm.
It will not look good, if the ranger swings by to see us and someone does not have their park pass because the ranger station was closed.
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So is it presently me, Marco and Convert that will be coming in on Wednesday, and everyone else is in the Island in the Sky crew?
I spoke to someone out there this morning, and it sounds like you can pay the park entrance fee after hours using an envelope with exact change. The issuing the permit still sounds like a bit of a hassle since they always do them in person, although the guy indicated it may be possible to do it by mail if I can provide all the vehicle info to the Needles Ranger district ahead of time. I will call Needles directly to clarify and see what we can work out.
He also eluded to the fact that our group raises a "red flag" with all the rangers around C-lands since our route distance is pretty aggressive in the time we will be there. If we run into any park rangers, we may encounter negativity (his words) and should be careful of where and how we are driving. Not that anyone in the group needs this reminder, but it's something to be aware of. Not many other folks will be out there in November, so we may get a lot more attention from the rangers in all 3 districts. No matter how much we try to convince the NP folks of our responsible intentions, on paper we just look like a bunch of guys in trucks that'll be flying through their park.
I spoke to someone out there this morning, and it sounds like you can pay the park entrance fee after hours using an envelope with exact change. The issuing the permit still sounds like a bit of a hassle since they always do them in person, although the guy indicated it may be possible to do it by mail if I can provide all the vehicle info to the Needles Ranger district ahead of time. I will call Needles directly to clarify and see what we can work out.
He also eluded to the fact that our group raises a "red flag" with all the rangers around C-lands since our route distance is pretty aggressive in the time we will be there. If we run into any park rangers, we may encounter negativity (his words) and should be careful of where and how we are driving. Not that anyone in the group needs this reminder, but it's something to be aware of. Not many other folks will be out there in November, so we may get a lot more attention from the rangers in all 3 districts. No matter how much we try to convince the NP folks of our responsible intentions, on paper we just look like a bunch of guys in trucks that'll be flying through their park.
wesintl
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C A N N O N B A L L !
It's funny how you get different answers depending on who you talk to out there.....
Spoke to another guy and he says no problem mailing out permits for those folks that can't be there during office hours (by 4:30pm). I just need to provide vehicle make, model, color, and license plate, and then they can put the permits in the mail.
He then proceeded to give me a lecture about going up and over E-hill at night. Scary, dangerous, not advised, etc. All true I suppose, even though I drive a Land Cruiser
I have 3 slots under my reservation, so if you are definitely not going out early (Monday or Tuesday), then let me know and I can collect some car info.
I might be interested in leaving early on Wednesday rather than waiting until Noon-time just to avoid all this extra coordination......
wesintl
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Best thing to do is NOT call the reservation office for your vehicle permit. Call the ranger station at either island in the sky or Needles and tell them you'll be there later than when they open.
I think anything with Davis' name on it out there gets red flagged. The caribou are runnin scared...
I think anything with Davis' name on it out there gets red flagged. The caribou are runnin scared...
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I did that, but the ranger station indicated that only Reservations can mail the permits. The RS did suggest that no matter what happens, if you are going to arrive late then you should call the ranger station the day of travel to confirm that you are coming so that they don't give away your spot. It's not likely a problem in November versus peak season, but still probably a good idea.
wesintl
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ah.. interesting. thx
wesintl
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yeah.. if you're leaving tues am with wr crew we will stop at the island in the sky gate and get a park entry pass (each vehicle) and confirm/verify our camping permits. You don't need to do anything besides not run out of beer. 
The other permits that davis, ralston and I bought are camping permits which cover the whole group.
The other permits that davis, ralston and I bought are camping permits which cover the whole group.
Caribou Sandstorm
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All good. I should have clarified a bit more.
Matt, Wes and I are a bit different since we secured the permits, we either have to arrive an hour before closing 3:30pm or call to tell them we ar running late or ask for ours to be mailed in advance.
If going with the last option, you gotta call the reservation office and it is a crap shoot, Bob was pretty nice, Jim a bit more edgey....
For the rest of the gang, even though you are part of our 3 permits, I think you still have to pay to enter the park..I did not realize you could drop your payment in a box afterhours..So that covers that. It is only like 15.00 per car to enter and that covers you for 7 days..
Our Permits were 30.00 each for Me, Matt and Wes and I think that covers our vehicle, so not so spendy...
So we are Red Flagged...Not for the size of our group but for the optimistic amount of terra firma we are covering...nice...Guess that means no hitting the crypto burms on the hair pins going aout 60 mph......
Just kidding of course...
Matt, Wes and I are a bit different since we secured the permits, we either have to arrive an hour before closing 3:30pm or call to tell them we ar running late or ask for ours to be mailed in advance.
If going with the last option, you gotta call the reservation office and it is a crap shoot, Bob was pretty nice, Jim a bit more edgey....
For the rest of the gang, even though you are part of our 3 permits, I think you still have to pay to enter the park..I did not realize you could drop your payment in a box afterhours..So that covers that. It is only like 15.00 per car to enter and that covers you for 7 days..
Our Permits were 30.00 each for Me, Matt and Wes and I think that covers our vehicle, so not so spendy...
So we are Red Flagged...Not for the size of our group but for the optimistic amount of terra firma we are covering...nice...Guess that means no hitting the crypto burms on the hair pins going aout 60 mph......
Just kidding of course...
If rangers ask about how much ground is being covered per hour, just say we enjoy driving at all times of the day, b/c the no campfire thing kind of makes for an early evening at camp anyway. Might as well drive longer in the day.... Also tell them that our plan may change depending on conditions and drivers, that safety is paramount. That's honestly the truth. Snow, mud, ruts, all that will slow us down a whole lot and we may have to go to plan B anyway.