Adventures in 4Runner'ing
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DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
I put a thin layer of FIPG on both sides of the gasket. Not sure if Justin is suggesting no gasket or not.So FIPG needed if I don't want to? Sweet! One less trip to Stevinson
Squishy!
Rising Sun Member
Option 1: gasket no FIP
Option 2: Gasket with thin layer of FIP each side
Option 3: FIP bead on pump, no gasket
My preferred option is #2, but #1 works fine if you get everything nice and clean on the block side. I don't recommend #3 unless its an urgent repair.
Option 2: Gasket with thin layer of FIP each side
Option 3: FIP bead on pump, no gasket
My preferred option is #2, but #1 works fine if you get everything nice and clean on the block side. I don't recommend #3 unless its an urgent repair.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Douglas' reply was confusing but I think he may be doing option #1 re-reading it. I'd personally at least use gasket sealant on it if no FIPG.
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
I can do any of the options. Turns out I need to go over to the shopping center by Stevinson this evening so it's not a problem to pick up some FIPG. It kinda sounds like Option #2 is the best bet to get a good long-term seal?
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
I'm about halfway through replacing the water pump, coolant hoses, and installing a GM-style alternator. It (as always) is taking me longer than expected.
Tomorrow morning I need to track down a 7360 belt for the new alternator setup and also replacement belts for the AC and power steering.
Tomorrow morning I need to track down a 7360 belt for the new alternator setup and also replacement belts for the AC and power steering.
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
The truck is all back together. No leaks so far. I'm going to take a longer test ride this afternoon.
The bushing in my front suspension driver side rear shackle is definitely failing. I can see daylight through between the shackle and the frame now. I'm guessing this means I shouldn't be driving too far or too fast until I can find a replacement and get it in there...
The bushing in my front suspension driver side rear shackle is definitely failing. I can see daylight through between the shackle and the frame now. I'm guessing this means I shouldn't be driving too far or too fast until I can find a replacement and get it in there...
AxleIke
Hard Core 4+
I wouldn't. Should be able to get a bushing locally pretty easily though.
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
How do I figure out sizing on it? I found the Trail Gear bushings that no doubt are what is on the truck now but I see that they have different sizes for front springs, rear springs, and the front shackles. It would be difficult for me to take apart the suspension enough to really measure anything (can't leave a truck torn apart in a non-running state in my apartment complex overnight).
I do have some bushings that Squishy! gave me with the SAS kit I got from him at last year's Rising Sun Rally. Dunno if they'd be the same or not as compared to the Trail Gear stuff.
Yeah... I'm not going to drive it until I rectify this situation. Bummer because I was planning to leave this afternoon for Ouray.
But better off alive than dead on the way to the mountains 
ToyodaTocco
Hard Core 4+
IIRC you have all pro springs not trail gear. Here are their bushings
https://www.allprooffroad.com/pickupsuspension/277
https://www.allprooffroad.com/pickupsuspension/277
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
Huh and here I thought the whole truck was Trail Gear! Good to know.
Is this something that anyone around here would carry?
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
I found four bushings that are red (probably Skyjacker?) and have the number 2092 on them. They're 18mm ID, 30.5mm OD, 44mm long with a small flange at the end. Any chance these are the things I would want to be using? Would they work okay with the greasable bolts?
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
Still need to figure out what to do about my bushings. Assuming I have AllPro components up front, are all of the bushing the same size or do I have multiple bushings up there? I'm looking at:
https://www.allprooffroad.com/8489suspension/8489springbushings
and
https://www.allprooffroad.com/pickupsuspension/pickupspringshackles
and it seems that they only sell one size. However I see in other kits that there are two sizes (one for the springs, one for the frame shackles). The shackles are wider on the top than at the bottom.
If I only need the All Pro bushings (18mm center hole), can I use the Skyjacker bushings that I have on hand to get back on the road for now?
https://www.allprooffroad.com/8489suspension/8489springbushings
and
https://www.allprooffroad.com/pickupsuspension/pickupspringshackles
and it seems that they only sell one size. However I see in other kits that there are two sizes (one for the springs, one for the frame shackles). The shackles are wider on the top than at the bottom.
If I only need the All Pro bushings (18mm center hole), can I use the Skyjacker bushings that I have on hand to get back on the road for now?
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
So I had a bit of a surprise today when I went over to Mark's house to change the bushings out. It turns out the upper shackle bushings are a different size. The have a 1.5" OD, 18mm ID, and are 40mm long including the collar.
I *think* that the large bushings here might work? https://www.marlincrawler.com/suspension/bushings/spring-bushing-large
I *think* that the large bushings here might work? https://www.marlincrawler.com/suspension/bushings/spring-bushing-large
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Upper shackle, you mean the frame-side bushings? That does sound funky. Those are usually the small diameter bushings (30mm OD, 18mm ID, 75mm shoulder-to-shoulder width on my old truck).
The spring eyes on most Toyota truck springs take a 40mm OD bushing. On OME springs the fixed side bushing ID is 19mm and there's a sleeve you use to reduce to fit a 14mm bolt.
Alternatively the ID may be 18mm and not use a sleeve. The shoulder-to-shoulder width for spring bushing should be 60mm.
Sleeved or not seems to depend on the fixed hanger or shackle bolt size. For stock shackles (18mm top, 14mm bottom bolts) the spring bushings used sleeves. I ran aftermarket shackles that had 18mm bolts for both frame-side and spring-side, so I didn't have a sleeve on the shackle side, just the fixed side, of my OME springs. The front, fixed side, used a sleeve, too. Being it was the stock 14mm bolt.
The spring eyes on most Toyota truck springs take a 40mm OD bushing. On OME springs the fixed side bushing ID is 19mm and there's a sleeve you use to reduce to fit a 14mm bolt.
Alternatively the ID may be 18mm and not use a sleeve. The shoulder-to-shoulder width for spring bushing should be 60mm.
Sleeved or not seems to depend on the fixed hanger or shackle bolt size. For stock shackles (18mm top, 14mm bottom bolts) the spring bushings used sleeves. I ran aftermarket shackles that had 18mm bolts for both frame-side and spring-side, so I didn't have a sleeve on the shackle side, just the fixed side, of my OME springs. The front, fixed side, used a sleeve, too. Being it was the stock 14mm bolt.
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
Yeah the frame-side bushings in the back of the front suspension (so the upper shackle bit?). 1.5" OD! It's an 18mm bolt that goes through. No sleeve.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Was that the way it was in the SAS kit?
Even though that's not standard for OE Toyota it makes sense because you can use the same diameter bushing on both sides of the shackle I think. The only difference would be the width and you can run spacers or bent side plates on the shackles to fix that.
Ideally you'd run bushings that are wider in the frame side (if it's ~75mm wide) but in a pinch you could use the narrower ones like in the springs.
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DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
I'll grab a measurement later on the width from the truck. The bushings that are in there now are 40mm long. I am pretty sure they're what came with the original SAS kit when it was done 10-ish years ago.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
That seems about right for a frame-side bushing. That would equate to approximately an 80mm shoulder-to-shoulder width. You don't want the two bushings to touch in the middle but also not have a ton of space between them. The spring-side OME bushings I used were 30mm mm long and frame side were 37.5mm long.
Note that was in the rear springs, I never had an SAS in front.
DouglasVB
Rising Sun Member
I'll see about ordering it all up a little later tonight to do the bushings 
Another issue that I have now is that my turn signal multi function switch stalk thing (the thing on the left side of the steering wheel) broke. The plastic fatigued and a chunk broke off. I'm trying to identify a replacement now.
Another issue that I have now is that my turn signal multi function switch stalk thing (the thing on the left side of the steering wheel) broke. The plastic fatigued and a chunk broke off. I'm trying to identify a replacement now.