What should my first mod be?

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LOL! Thanks guys! :) So, I shouldn't limit myself to manual transmission models only, in my search for a 3rd Gen?
Only you can answer that. :-) There's no one right answer. Which do you prefer to drive? Either way might take some mods to get right for you. But know that with a stick if you intend to tackle relatively hard trails you will definitely need lower transfer case gears. OTOH with an auto overheating can be a problem, so nothing is perfect. Thing is no matter what, the truck will spend a lot more time on pavement getting to and from trails, sitting in traffic, crawling along in the snow. So if you hate driving a stick normally, then probably don't get one...
 

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I have a manual tranmission car and our 2003 4Runner is automatic. I like them both - they both have their pros and cons. Manual is fun to drive, but maybe it wouldn't be as fun on a truck. I don't know. I have just heard that you MUST get manual tranmission if you're going offroad. "You'll slip and slide too much with automatics" is something I hear a lot. This is refreshing to hear because I am not dead-set on getting manual. Just learning and taking it all in from everyone - and I appreciate all of the great advice!

One of my first trips I want to take is to Marble and go down the Devil's Punchbowl. I've been facinated about that place for years now, but have only read about it and seen pictures of it. It sounds pretty challenging. I like the sign that says to stop and allow your brakes to cool before proceeding... ;)
 

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So are lockers the same thing as locking differentials ? And they come stock on 3rd gens?
 

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So are lockers the same thing as locking differentials ? And they come stock on 3rd gens?

Yes, locking differential. They were available as an option on 3rd gens as well as other Toyota 4x4s, and there are also many aftermarket lockers available as well...Detroits, ARBs, spools, Lock Rights, etc.
 

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Yes, locking differential. They were available as an option on 3rd gens as well as other Toyota 4x4s, and there are also many aftermarket lockers available as well...Detroits, ARBs, spools, Lock Rights, etc.

Cool. I think I had that on my old 1999 4Runner but never used it. I believe it was just a button on the dash that you hit to lock it, right?
 

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Cool. I think I had that on my old 1999 4Runner but never used it. I believe it was just a button on the dash that you hit to lock it, right?
There would have been a 'RR Lock' button on the lower left of the dash. The 1999 is the most desired of the 3rd gen since it had a locker option, 5 speed option, the tallest suspension (i.e. least spongy springs) from the factory.

I disagree with Jeff only in so far as the first mod should be decent tires, but of the major modifications a rear locker is the most bang for the buck. That gets you the most increase in capability of anything. I would also consider sliders fairly soon. I kept pushing sliders off and my rocker panels showed it.
 

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know. I have just heard that you MUST get manual tranmission if you're going offroad. "You'll slip and slide too much with automatics" is something I hear a lot.

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Welcome home, you have been hangin out with the wrong folks ;)

I will never own another manual trans 4x4 even if I build a buggy :D
 

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I should have never gotten rid of my 1999 but at the time I was financially in a bind and had a high car payment on that baby.

I just found a 2000 5-speed with locker and only 101K miles on it for $9K, but take a look at it; it has a black bumper on the front of it that just doesn't look right!

2000 4Runner

Does that look like the stock bumper or should I pull a Carfax on this to see if it was in a fender bender?
 

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:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Welcome home, you have been hangin out with the wrong folks ;)

I will never own another manual trans 4x4 even if I build a buggy :D

LOL! :) Thanks for the candor - I appreciate all the help I can get.

Another question: Did the 2000 model have the same characteristics of the 1999 as far as the different suspension and height?

I'm so close to getting a new (3rd Gen) 4Runner - it's killing me! :)
 

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we've got one member here, Jaderunner, with a 2000 and it's a 5 speed + elocker. No idea on suspension though, but if you're going to build this up why worry as you'll be upgrading that anyway, right? :)
 

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we've got one member here, Jaderunner, with a 2000 and it's a 5 speed + elocker. No idea on suspension though, but if you're going to build this up why worry as you'll be upgrading that anyway, right? :)

True, but this will have to happen over time. So, I'm just trying to gain as much advantage by getting these "bonuses" already included.

It looks like a locker is about $1000 or so, just for the part, so I would prefer to find a 4Runner with that already included.
 
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Psh... I don't know what you guys are talking about.. a new Stereo needs to be the first mod! ;) people should be able to hear you from a mile away....hearing if for chumps! :D
 

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Psh... I don't know what you guys are talking about.. a new Stereo needs to be the first mod! ;) people should be able to hear you from a mile away....hearing if for chumps! :D

Don't forget the set of fuzzy dice! :p:
 

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we've got one member here, Jaderunner, with a 2000 and it's a 5 speed + elocker. No idea on suspension though, but if you're going to build this up why worry as you'll be upgrading that anyway, right? :)
This is pretty much spot on. The 2000 model suspension is the only difference AFAIK (and we're talking like an inch in ride height at most), but 2000 was the last year that the locker and 5 speed were available. Like Nak says, the suspension is fixable and since the '99s are 10 years old now they are probably sitting on worn out springs and shocks anyway. Oh, also realize that even if you get a newer 4Runner you can retrofit the factory locker pretty easily in any 1996-2002 4Runner, since they all used the 8" axle even without a locker. The wiring will be there, just add the dash switch and third member (with a little grinding). Really the only major question is 5 speed or not, because that's sorta a PITA to swap over between needed difference ECUs and cutting holes and all that.
 

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I wonder why they discontinued the locker in 2001? Was it a problem for Toyota?

Did you guys see the 4Runner For Sale above? What did you think?

Here's the link again.
 

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That black bumper does look kinda goofy. I would run a Carfax on it and see if that truck rearended someone - if it was enough to replace the bumper the airbags might have gone off too...

Every 80 series Land Cruiser that was imported to the US was an automatic (and they go everywhere - just check the 80 series section on IH8MUD.com).

Manual or Automatic - whatever floats your boat or just take whatever you can find. If you find a truck that is in great shape with low miles and a locker personally I would take it regardless of the tranny - you're just as likely to find one that's trashed, thrashed, with high miles for the same price :rolleyes: (at least that's what I found when I was looking for my Tundra).

First thing I would do once I got one would be to change/check all the fluids (engine, tranny, t-case, diffs, brakes, coolant (make sure it has Toyota red, and if it doesn't flush it and replace it with some), clutch (if applicable). Check the brake pads/shoes, grease the driveshafts, steering components, change the air filter, spark plugs, cap, rotor, wires if needed. Depending on miles, check the wheel bearings, get an alignment, get good tires on it, make sure the headlights are good (not old, yellow, out of whack), and clean the interior and exterior and underbody real good, checking for rust, leaks, etc. and make sure the frame is clear of mud and junk.

After all that (and that may take some time and $$ depending on what's needed - fluids and tuneup items add up pretty fast and an alignment by itself is about $70), if it has a locker, great. Don't do much else, just drive it - take it on trips and get used to the feel of it. Figure out how to get a radio (CB or Ham - in this club it's worth studying up for the Ham exam and getting your license) in it so trail communication comes easy. Even if it doesn't have a locker that's where I would start, I think it's good to learn how to drive off-road without a locker so you can appreciate the capability of the vehicle. I would probably put an ARB-style bumper on it first (because IH8deer). Then I would look into getting a locker, if it didn't come equipped with one. Then a lift and sliders. And a winch. And then drive it some more. Just :twocents:

Yes, many of us hit up the high mountain passes every year. Red Cone/Webster Pass/Radical Hill are usually run every year, Mosquito Pass, Cameron Pass, Tomichi Pass, Cumberland Pass, Tincup Pass alternate as routes on the annual Ghost Town Run (coming up in July), Taylor Pass, Pearl Pass, Schofield Pass (as Wes posted) are usually involved with the annual Triple Bypass (coming up in August), and Engineer Pass, Cinnamon Pass, Black Bear Pass and Imogene Pass are usually involved with the annual Ouray Trip (over Labor Day weekend). I am hoping to maybe next year do a trip (maybe with CLC) down to Hayden Pass, camp over at the Sand Dunes, then come back over Medano Pass, and there are many many more that are usually run by someone in the club over the course of a typical year. Welcome! :)
 
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