Inukshuk
Rising Sun Member
That one is massive!
if anyone does need one of these extreme static straps, i'd like to get rid of this one.
What brand(s) of recovery gear?
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DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
That's my mistake. You are correct, sir, not the serial number. Learn something new! These would be made to spec but not traceable shackles in that case.
Looking at the standard for shackles, ASME B30-26 states:
"Each shackle pin shall have durable markings by the manufacturer to show
(a) name or trademark of manufacturer(b) grade, material type, or load rating"
These are standard screw pin shackles:
https://www.thecrosbygroup.com/prod.../crosby-209-carbon-screw-pin-anchor-shackles/
It's marked X0CG6 so I think it breaks down to:
X0 - unsure, may be as you say a part number, process, alloy
CG - Crosby Group
6 - I think this means grade is 6, e.g. a 4.75 ton 3/4" shackle
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The Fed doc (minimum for overhead lifting) is rr-c-271 I think they are on rev F. It’s a good read for nerds
nuclearlemon
Hard Core 4+
are you really going to leave a comment like that out there?
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Literally "That's what she said."are you really going to leave a comment like that out there?
3rdGen4R
Hard Core 4+
It’s actually not hard to determine what the buyer is you’re buying from on amazon. So if you are buying a ARB product and want to make sure it’s not a knock off, look here.
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DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Does ARB sell anything directly? I didn't think so. Seems like you need to really look at who is selling and shipping it and judge if they are an authorized or even a legitimate source.
gungriffin
Rising Sun Member
Many of the items sold directly by Amazon can be fakes as well. Just be aware. I usually only buy from major off road sellers on Amazon.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
100% agree that you have to trust the source but will mention that I bought extra leafs (D29XL) through Amazon Prime and were drop shipped from ARB. Their price was better than other sources and they actually were shipped 2 day UPS free. That shipping has happened before, with a receiver hitch from Curt. Gotta think Amazon lost money on those sales.
Stuckinthe80s
Rising Sun Member
Another nugget of knowledge from the BB training is that there are different nomenclatures for snatch blocks. 
It sucks to see ARB stuff sold on eBay and Amazon for lower than what ARB “allows” you to sell at. It undermines the whole program. I’m positive that the Ckma12 shown above is below what ARB will allow a legitimate dealer to sell it at.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Other than those springs I've never bought OME or ARB anywhere other than our typical stockists, so I don't have a lot of experience beyond that. But since those add-a-leafs were shipped directly from ARB to me does that mean Amazon is or isn't a legitimate dealer? I mean, I completely understand what you're saying but why would ARB fill that order if "Amazon.com Services" wasn't an approved dealer?
3rdGen4R
Hard Core 4+
Other than those springs I've never bought OME or ARB anywhere other than our typical stockists, so I don't have a lot of experience beyond that. But since those add-a-leafs were shipped directly from ARB to me does that mean Amazon is or isn't a legitimate dealer? I mean, I completely understand what you're saying but why would ARB fill that order if "Amazon.com Services" wasn't an approved dealer?
It’s the whole built in America things and how people think that means China doesn’t build quality equipment. That last statement doesn’t mean all things built in China are good, but it does mean a lot of what you think about China is wrong. I know for fact that most everything we use in the off road community has been manufactured somehow in China. Amazon is a market place, you just have to be smart enough to figure out the market yourself.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
I don't follow what you mean. Is something bought on Amazon marketplace, from Amazon as the dealer and then drop shipped from ARB coming from Washington state mean it's a counterfeit?
I thought what Jackson's saying is ARB doesn't usually sell directly and sets prices to avoid undercutting its dealer network. Anything coming from other sources could be fake or through a grey market from an unauthorized dealer. For anything other than two hunks of steel I probably wouldn't have taken the risk but for $72 total coming 2-day UPS I figured it wasn't a huge gamble.
3rdGen4R
Hard Core 4+
No... they are just using ARB drop system shipping.
Have experienced the same comment being made by ARB also being a dealer for Viair and Dometic- Amazon does such volume they can essentially name their retail price, ignoring the MAP agreed to with the supplier. There is not a lot of margin in this stuff to begin with, and often times a dealer price will be at or above what anyone could get on Amazon, particularly when free shipping gets tossed in. Makes it really tough for any small business to be a dealer of these products, and even worse as inventory in the store is cash that has already been spent, vs. no real investment for drop shipping. Not crying poor me or poor small business, just acknowledging the shift in retail here and how things are different now because of Amazon.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
So you're replying to the general statements on origins for recovery gear, not the sub-thread about ARB?
I agree with your China point with some reservation. Not that they can't or don't make quality, they are capable of making things well. China makes high quality stuff for their own market but that's not the stuff we ask them to make for us.
But if an out-sourced product is taken there from the U.S. or where ever it's primarily because of price (or profit). We pay them to make cheap junk, so they do. So it is ultimately about the company behind the product.
3rdGen4R
Hard Core 4+
Amazon is a market place for most items you buy. When I say that I’m saying amazon is a one stop shop. If you wanted to sell on amazon tomorrow you could.
3rdGen4R
Hard Core 4+
So... first the idea that because China makes it for less cost than its cheaper just isn’t true. China makes lots of things that are high quality that the United States doesn’t have the infrastructure or skill sets to make. It can also be true that China makes cheap products for less expensive prices. He’ll ARB itself has manufacturing in both Thailand and Australia. Simple point I’m making is that quality can be made anywhere in the world.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
I think our wires got crossed here 'cause I think we're saying the same thing. The confusion may be that you circled "ARB" (meaning trust the manufacturer) and I mistook that to me you should buy *from* ARB (meaning trust the seller). You were responding to Daniel's point about unknown brands (or known junk). It's true the country of origin isn't an automatic determination of that.
I was trying to say you have to trust the source (meaning who's selling and shipping it to you on Amazon) because just being called "ARB" there doesn't mean it actually is. It could easily be counterfeit unless the seller is a legitimate company and is authorized to resell ARB. Any Joe Blow can list a product on Amazon and say it's whatever. Amazon doesn't preemptively police for that, you have to bring it to their attention. That's why I put the arrows pointing to check the seller.