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AlpineAccess

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early dodge cummins were notorious for frames cracking at the transmission. they also had huge issues with the early allisons. whether or not that's been squared away, i haven't kept track, but those issues were swept under the rug too.

as for a work truck, you should rephrase that as big 3 diesels. tundra will gladly keep up with the big 3 1/2 tons
I haven't seen a Dodge Ram (not Ram Ram's) in the rust belt that have intact wheel wells. :)

Also to add - Chevrolet; the Silverado of almost all generations have had frame rust issues as well as substantial bodywork rust issues. There are numerous recalls.

I think some of Toyota's ability to maintain rep has been that after hemming and hawing they did replace a lot of frames. Its just one example, but my buddy had his '07 Tacoma frame replaced by Toyota. It took two weeks with Toyota footing the bill. They replaced not only the frame but anything that was difficult to remove during the job. He had nearly brand new suspension, etc. under the truck. He had 200k on it at the time of replacement and is now over 400k.
 

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I'll discretely drop this here. 15mpg. Denver--> fairplay (empty trailer); fairplay--> pine (loaded); pine--> Denver. Actual while towing loaded was 14.8
 

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I'll discretely drop this here. 15mpg. Denver--> fairplay (empty trailer); fairplay--> pine (loaded); pine--> Denver. Actual while towing loaded was 14.8
wait I don't get it... is Travis' rig a trailer rig now? or did he just spend too much time at the south park brewery, and you had to go scoop him up?
 

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I have a 2015 tundra SR5 5.7 dbl cab. ( not crew cab). I've put around 80k on it since 2019. All I've done is change the plugs because I just didn't know how old they were, and I change the drive belt because it was squealing. That's about $100 in maintenance in 4 years.

Mileage. Mine has 20" wheels so tires are meh.
I has 295 65 r20 patagonias, measuring about 34". I got 12.9 mpg consistently. I would work to get it to 13.4.

I put 33s on it this go around and I'm getting 14.7mpg, both off the gauge and calculated from refills.

Not much in tech stuff but everything just works and works. Typical toyota truck from my example.

Only downside I can point out is that it has a huge turning circle.
 

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I haven't seen a Dodge Ram (not Ram Ram's) in the rust belt that have intact wheel wells. :)
That's not rust belt. that's colorado before the mass spread of mag chloride. ;)

my friends dodge was patched six times. he was the fifth owner, so no real warranty, but dodge did finally replace his frame. two others that i know here had frame issues. one of the guys that had frame issues also went through three transmissions.
 

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wait I don't get it... is Travis' rig a trailer rig now? or did he just spend too much time at the south park brewery, and you had to go scoop him up?
He broke it. Rear wheel bearing decided to attempt weight reduction by spitting out pieces of itself and puking gear oil on the highway. The Chili did just earn trailer status though. If I ever get it off the lift...
 

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early dodge cummins were notorious for frames cracking at the transmission. they also had huge issues with the early allisons. whether or not that's been squared away, i haven't kept track, but those issues were swept under the rug too.

as for a work truck, you should rephrase that as big 3 diesels. tundra will gladly keep up with the big 3 1/2 tons

you are absolutely correct. I was working for Cummins corporate when this was going on. Cummins "corrected" this problem by de-tuning these early 12 valve engines. When these engines were sold they were tuned down to about 60% of their performance potential. To some degree they are still having a hard time keeping a drive line behind these engines.

The point I was trying to make is that all manufactures have turned out some turds. It's popular to just bash the big 3. Toyota seams to be the only one that gets away with it.
 

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I haven't seen a Dodge Ram (not Ram Ram's) in the rust belt that have intact wheel wells. :)

Also to add - Chevrolet; the Silverado of almost all generations have had frame rust issues as well as substantial bodywork rust issues. There are numerous recalls.

I think some of Toyota's ability to maintain rep has been that after hemming and hawing they did replace a lot of frames. Its just one example, but my buddy had his '07 Tacoma frame replaced by Toyota. It took two weeks with Toyota footing the bill. They replaced not only the frame but anything that was difficult to remove during the job. He had nearly brand new suspension, etc. under the truck. He had 200k on it at the time of replacement and is now over 400k.
Toyota settled a class action lawsuit over the Tacoma frames. I was in it and part of the agreement was they had to start a limited service campaign that could replace them if they were bad enough or just apply a CRC coating if the perforations were not larger than about a U.S. Quarter.

Note that the criteria was not lack of perforations, just none that were "significant". Mine failed to get a new frame on the the size criteria before the LSC deadline and I opted not to get the CRC because I had already been spraying anti-corrosion on it so, one, it seemed redundant and, second, there was no way it was going to adhere anyway. I bought the truck used at 40k and I coated the insides of the boxed sections with an Eastwood spray gunk and all the exposed parts with Fluid Film. It had about 100k on it when the window closed. It was based on a window that elapsed when your truck hit 10 years from it's put into sevice date, which for mine was March of 2008 so the frame protection ended March 2018.

Toyota sued Dana, who made the frames for them on U.S. trucks and they settled that, which offset I guess some of the cost of the LSC. The plant that made Tacoma and Tundra frames was the very same one that made some Ford frames. The rumor was that there was some fault by sabotage in the factory or Toyota not specifying thick enough paint or an anti-corrosion coat. But whatever the reason Dana felt it wasn't going to win the suit.

In probably an unrelated move Dana shortly after the Toyota frame debacle sold their frame division to Metalsa, which is a Mexican automotive supplier.

At this point since I was maybe too aggressive about preventing rust on my truck from the start so it never really rusted fast enough to get a new frame under the original 10 year window. I have probably compromised frame that I have no idea is good or bad. So every fall I get to spend a week taking off the armor, sliders and pulling the spare tire carrier, cleaning all the Fluid Film and dirt off, fixing the rust bubbles, painting and reapplying Fluid Film, putting the skid plates, sliders and carrier back on. It's a PITA. If or when the frame does start to blow through a lot the quote is $11,000 to have a new frame put in or $5,500 to buy one, if they have one to sell into the repair parts chain. The truth is the whole experience of the frames, the clutch bearing issues, the recall for broken leaf springs (oh, yeah, that one, they'd corrode, split and puncture your fuel tank so they replaced my leaf packs) made me think Toyota is just marginally better built than a Ford (and that's only in specific areas, like engines) and probably no better at customer service.



 

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Toyota sued Dana, who made the frames for them on U.S. trucks and they settled that, which offset I guess some of the cost of the LSC. The plant that made Tacoma and Tundra frames was the very same one that made some Ford frames. The rumor was that there was some fault by sabotage in the factory or Toyota not specifying thick enough paint or an anti-corrosion coat. But whatever the reason Dana felt it wasn't going to win the suit.
Ironically, the first part of my truck to show any rust (only surface) was the rear driveshaft, which is made by dana.
 

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Ironically, the first part of my truck to show any rust (only surface) was the rear driveshaft, which is made by dana.
The rear driveshaft on mine is Dana/Spicer also. It's been alright, the carrier bearing doesn't last all that long but it and the u-joints seem stout enough. The only disappointment is that Toyota didn't spec a double cardan on it so balancing is not easy. Funny thing is when I ordered the parts to rebuild my driveshaft it appeared the 5-1310/1350 series Dana/Spicer may be used on global models, like the Hilux, and the countries of origins were Brazil and Thailand, both places where sub or final assembly of it are done. It's odd stuff like that I gotta think Toyota is cleaning up so that all the models end up using the same dang parts. I think the Prado/4Runner/GX would be using Matsuba or something and don't appear to be interchangeable with Hilux/Tacoma. Same with ball joints I've found, the taper is slightly different so a 4Runner BJ won't work on a Tacoma spindle.
 
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