I think that's good advise. Also remember if you have 2 straps, which I suspect you do, that's another 60'. Plus whatever everyone else has...
Is this going on the 40 or the 80?
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I think that's good advise. Also remember if you have 2 straps, which I suspect you do, that's another 60'. Plus whatever everyone else has...
Is this going on the 40 or the 80?
Rzeppa
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I run 165' of 3/8 on my 8274, works great!
wesintl
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I would go 3/8 and you could always increase the strength of the 3/8's to the 7/16 equivalent line by using the masterpull line. http://www.masterpull.com/cpage.cfm?cpid=197
i'd love to lighten up the front end but for how much I use my winches it's hard to throw down 400 bones.
i'd love to lighten up the front end but for how much I use my winches it's hard to throw down 400 bones.
Rzeppa
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I went synth when I had to replace my worn out GAC anyway. Not only lighter, but SO much easier to handle and re-spool.
Going on the 80 and will be attached to this
I'm not so worried anymore about the pulling power of the winch
I'm sure my decision will be based a lot on the
of the rope. I've got a rope extension already (50' or 75', can't remember) so maybe 90' of 7/16" rope will be plenty with straps and extension as needed. Heck, having just 15' would have been plenty on the GTR 
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On subzali's reverse winching, his drum is external so he would not need to worry that much on the heat thing. It is the winches with internal brakes that would need to worry on the drum heat.
On the 165 ft of winch line, wow that is a lot of line. Jeff how would you every get down to the real pulling power of the winch, with out spooling out a lot of feet of cable?
With that kind of length, you would only be on the middle to top 1/3 of the drum and only have about a 2-3k lb of pulling power. With pulling more cable and using a pulley, you may bet down to the bigger pulling power. But again the 40 is a light vehicle.
On the 165 ft of winch line, wow that is a lot of line. Jeff how would you every get down to the real pulling power of the winch, with out spooling out a lot of feet of cable?
With that kind of length, you would only be on the middle to top 1/3 of the drum and only have about a 2-3k lb of pulling power. With pulling more cable and using a pulley, you may bet down to the bigger pulling power. But again the 40 is a light vehicle.
Going on the 80 and will be attached to this
Congrats, Jeff. That is a monster of a winch!
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So Jeff does that mean you are ready to sell the old one? Or maybe trade???
That is one huge a$$ winch, you can pull yourself and the person behind you out.
That is one huge a$$ winch, you can pull yourself and the person behind you out.
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Sorry Dave, I was refering to Jeff Zepp's 165' of cable on his winch, not Cosiars new 15 k winch. That info you posted shows the point real well. The more cable you have on the drum the less pulling power you have. the more stress you put on the winch the more Amps you pull as well.
Have fun with the monster, Corsiar.
Have fun with the monster, Corsiar.
Having a big winch on my 80 is important to me! I value making nearly all pulls as a single line pull as double line pulls take forever and the distance needed is often in the snow so 50' or less just isn't acceptable to me. I'm running a 12.5k with 100' of 3/8" Amsteel Blue. Love the setup very much! I loaded 90' of 3/8" Amsteel Blue on the 40 also with the X-9. I have run syn line for many years now and will NEVER run steel line again! Besides the fact that my cable only weighs 6lbs vrs 90lbs the equivalent GAC, it is easier to work with and not having kinks or galvanized steel wire penetrations through my dirty gloves into my fingers or hand are worth every penny! Keep the sun off of it and it will last a long time! To repair or splice I carry a fid set but a roll of good black tape is all thats really needed in a pinch! Try that with GAC!
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I think gac is something like .18 or .19 lb a ft (depending on size). so that would be ~25lb. where are you gettin 90 from?
I think gac is something like .18 or .19 lb a ft (depending on size). so that would be ~25lb. where are you gettin 90 from?
Dirt and chunks of old flesh?
Here is weight and misc specs.....
Thanks...After looking into the M12K vs. M15K more closely before pulling the trigger I determined that the M12K and M15K are identical winches with the exception of the gearing. The M12K is 261:1 while the M15K is 315:1. Otherwise from what I can tell they have the same motor, same drum, same casing, weight the same (136lbs) etc.
The big difference will be that my lines speeds will be slower (no load max line speed of only 22.2'/min on the M15K vs. 30'/min on the M12K | 10K lbs pull line speed of 3.31'/min vs. 4.39'/min). However, interestingly enough (I suppose due to the gearing) the M15K's motor current draw is less when compared to the M12K once you start pulling. Pretty significant differences actually. For an 8K line pull the M12K draws 320 amps while the M15K only draws 285 amps. 10K line pull is 370 vs 335. 12K line pull is 440 vs. 385.
In the end though it came down to just finding a good deal...2 yr old winch, never actually used. The PO never even stretched out the cable.
That is what it means Tom but you are 2nd in line...First person in line actually approached me last year IIRC about buying it so I'm giving him first dibs. If he passes I'll let you know.
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Went with the Suplerline XD synthetic for the Ptarmigan after talking to Ben and Joe about what to buy. The knot is a double half hitch. It looks like their military XD line is spliced but this version is not. As far as it being filed splice-able, all you would need to know is how to tie a half hitch. One of the biggest advantages is that this rope won't flatten out on the last few wraps on the drum making it easier to work with. The abrasion and UV protection are nice too. From what I have read on the boat forums, the knot = 35% less strength than a splice.
http://www.masterpull.com/cpage.cfm?cpid=478
5/16" @ 21,000lb breaking strength -
http://www.masterpull.com/cpage.cfm?cpid=478
5/16" @ 21,000lb breaking strength -
-The Superline XD synthetic winch line is manufactured with the most advanced technology in synthetic rope manufacturing today. The rope starts as a larger diameter line and is heated and stretched down to its final diameter, just like our regular Superline. This process gives the Superline XD an excellent breaking strength since it has the strength of a larger diameter line in a smaller diameter. The pre-stretching also gives the rope better abrasion resistance compared to normal Dyneema winch ropes.
-For even more abrasion resistance, the rope has a tightly braided cover along the whole length of the rope. This cover gives the inner Superline core excellent protection against abrasion, especially abrasion from dirt and sand. With coverless winch lines, dirt and sand can get lodged in between the strands of the rope and can cause fraying, which in some cases leads to a 20% loss in the rope's breaking strength. The Superline XD cover keeps dirt and sand out of the core and prevents this abrasion from happening. It also gives the inner core complete protection from UV rays. Ultimately this means that if used properly, the Superline XD will last much longer than a normal winch line, and you won't have to replace your line nearly as often.
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Nice! Now you just need some mechanical leverage to put the line in!
Picked up a Warn 9.5XP. It is the biggest winch that will fit in the Short Bus bumber.
