Tacoma Frame Rust
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Thanks for the information. Very helpful.
DaveInDenver - I went to this website to check if the truck has been inspected in order to qualify for the 15 year extended perforation warranty. http://www.toyota.com/owners/parts-service/history.
I created an account, plugged in the VIN and looked at the service records. The website said there were no service records at all for the truck. This doesn't seem correct, as my dad's friend has had all previous recalls fixed by a Toyota dealership in Baja.
My dad's friend told me that last time the truck was at a dealership was approximately two years ago when the shocks and struts were replaced. The work was done at the dealership in La Paz. I don't have the exact date of the work, but if we assume it was sometime in 2014, at that time were dealerships doing inspections to qualify trucks for the extended perforation warranty?
Prior to buying, I think I ought to confirm whether this truck has received the extended warranty. I was planning on emailing Toyota directly and asking them. Unless you have any other recommendations.
Thanks for your help.
DaveInDenver - I went to this website to check if the truck has been inspected in order to qualify for the 15 year extended perforation warranty. http://www.toyota.com/owners/parts-service/history.
I created an account, plugged in the VIN and looked at the service records. The website said there were no service records at all for the truck. This doesn't seem correct, as my dad's friend has had all previous recalls fixed by a Toyota dealership in Baja.
My dad's friend told me that last time the truck was at a dealership was approximately two years ago when the shocks and struts were replaced. The work was done at the dealership in La Paz. I don't have the exact date of the work, but if we assume it was sometime in 2014, at that time were dealerships doing inspections to qualify trucks for the extended perforation warranty?
Prior to buying, I think I ought to confirm whether this truck has received the extended warranty. I was planning on emailing Toyota directly and asking them. Unless you have any other recommendations.
Thanks for your help.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
It may be that the U.S. and Mexican dealers don't use the same reporting or database. That I don't know. The Toyota system is similar to Carfax in that it will only report things that are put in correctly and it relies upon a voluntary entry by someone and dealers are not consistent either.
I'd call Toyota customer service on the phone and talk to someone directly, possibility opening a case with them to get it figured out.
This is what the line item in my truck's history shows for the frame inspection under LSC (limited Service Campaign) E0D.
I'd call Toyota customer service on the phone and talk to someone directly, possibility opening a case with them to get it figured out.
This is what the line item in my truck's history shows for the frame inspection under LSC (limited Service Campaign) E0D.
- 9/17/15
- RECALL ESD. FRAME INSPECTED-NO SIGNIFICANT PERFORATION FOUND.
- RECALL ESD. FRAME INSPECTED-NO SIGNIFICANT PERFORATION FOUND. ~|~CUST REQ THE ESD CAMPAIGN ~|~.OPEN CAMPAIGN ~|~46727 C/ ESD CAMPAIGN C/ ESD CAMPAIGN OPEN R/ PERFORM ESD CAMPAIGN 3607G1 60 R/ PERFORM ESD CAMPAIGN PERFORMED RECALL AS PER MANUFACTURER INSTRUCTIONS
- WARRANTY PAY
I found out more information.
I emailed Toyota directly to confirm if the truck was inspected per LSC E0D. You were right, Toyota U.S.A. doesn't have access to Toyota Mexico's records. Toyota U.S.A. says recall and LSC work can only be done by dealerships in the U.S.
Last week, I spoke with a lawyer who represents a bunch of Tacoma owners who have frame rust problems. I asked him about the extended warranty being given under LSC E0D; he hadn’t heard of any extended warranties for this problem.
Yesterday, I called Toyota directly. I was told that the extended warranty doesn't exist for 2005 Tacomas. They said that under LSC E0D, during the inspection, if rust is found on the frame, then Toyota would take care of it. If a truck didn't have any frame rust, then Toyota deems the truck to be okay, and any future rust is the responsibility of the owner. In other words, no extended warranty. Maybe Toyota gave extended warranties to owners of other years, but not the 2005 models. The guy I spoke with at Toyota said it probably won't become a future recall.
My plan is to have the truck inspected closely in Mexico. Besides just telling the mechanic to look for rust all around the frame, is there anywhere else he should look that's not obvious?
If I end up buying the truck, do you recommend getting the frame re-coated for corrosion when I get it back to the U.S.? Any idea of the cost to do this? Who around Denver would do this work? Any thoughts on whether it's worth the expense? I guess I’d like to know the cost of having the whole frame re-coated, just so I know what I’m getting myself into.
I’m struggling with what to do. On one hand, I believe the truck is in good shape, but I’ll know for sure after a mechanic inspects it. My dad’s friend has taken good care of it, it only has 60k miles and he’s going to sell it to me for a reasonable price, slightly below market. On the other, I will want to drive the truck for at least 10 years, and it will definitely be driven year round, especially in the mountains in the winter. It will see a good amount of mag chloride, I'm guessing. If the frame rusts out within five years, I will be pretty upset. What would you do if you were in my shoes?
Thanks for your help.
I emailed Toyota directly to confirm if the truck was inspected per LSC E0D. You were right, Toyota U.S.A. doesn't have access to Toyota Mexico's records. Toyota U.S.A. says recall and LSC work can only be done by dealerships in the U.S.
Last week, I spoke with a lawyer who represents a bunch of Tacoma owners who have frame rust problems. I asked him about the extended warranty being given under LSC E0D; he hadn’t heard of any extended warranties for this problem.
Yesterday, I called Toyota directly. I was told that the extended warranty doesn't exist for 2005 Tacomas. They said that under LSC E0D, during the inspection, if rust is found on the frame, then Toyota would take care of it. If a truck didn't have any frame rust, then Toyota deems the truck to be okay, and any future rust is the responsibility of the owner. In other words, no extended warranty. Maybe Toyota gave extended warranties to owners of other years, but not the 2005 models. The guy I spoke with at Toyota said it probably won't become a future recall.
My plan is to have the truck inspected closely in Mexico. Besides just telling the mechanic to look for rust all around the frame, is there anywhere else he should look that's not obvious?
If I end up buying the truck, do you recommend getting the frame re-coated for corrosion when I get it back to the U.S.? Any idea of the cost to do this? Who around Denver would do this work? Any thoughts on whether it's worth the expense? I guess I’d like to know the cost of having the whole frame re-coated, just so I know what I’m getting myself into.
I’m struggling with what to do. On one hand, I believe the truck is in good shape, but I’ll know for sure after a mechanic inspects it. My dad’s friend has taken good care of it, it only has 60k miles and he’s going to sell it to me for a reasonable price, slightly below market. On the other, I will want to drive the truck for at least 10 years, and it will definitely be driven year round, especially in the mountains in the winter. It will see a good amount of mag chloride, I'm guessing. If the frame rusts out within five years, I will be pretty upset. What would you do if you were in my shoes?
Thanks for your help.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
I know the 2000-2004 truck got 15 year warranties and I thought the 2005-2008 also got them, but if Toyota said no then I don't know. I wouldn't use a 15-year warranty as a reason to trust a frame against rust in any case and not do any preventative or repairs.
The bottom line is that anything can and everything probably will eventually rust. Do the Tacomas (and Sequoia, Tundra) rust faster than 4Runner and Cruiser? I think so but I don't have exhaustive data to say one way or the other. My experience with a 1991 Pickup, 2001 and 2008 Tacoma is that the frames do in fact rust quite a bit worse on the Tacoma. At the same time 79-95 trucks got rusty eventually, too. So it's not like they were immune to it, they just have thicker steel and I believe a heavier coat of paint so it take longer is all. If you Google you'll find reports of newer Hilux and 4Runners with significant rust, too, so it's probably that manufacturers have to cut cost and weight to meet profits and regulations so maybe the Tacoma just gets more attention. I dunno.
My recommendation is if you like the Tacoma and it's not currently rusty, go for it. But you can't assume a 20+ year life just driving them anymore. You have to keep after the rust, clean, scrape, prime, paint and coat with something in the winter. I use Fluid Film twice a year and would suggest you NOT use an undercoat. The only time an undercoat makes sense is brand new where there is zero rust. If you put a rubberized coating over existing rust it will just chew up steel under there unabated until it fails. You want to see and fix rust as it starts. I generally spend the summer cleaning up the winter corrosion.
The bottom line is that anything can and everything probably will eventually rust. Do the Tacomas (and Sequoia, Tundra) rust faster than 4Runner and Cruiser? I think so but I don't have exhaustive data to say one way or the other. My experience with a 1991 Pickup, 2001 and 2008 Tacoma is that the frames do in fact rust quite a bit worse on the Tacoma. At the same time 79-95 trucks got rusty eventually, too. So it's not like they were immune to it, they just have thicker steel and I believe a heavier coat of paint so it take longer is all. If you Google you'll find reports of newer Hilux and 4Runners with significant rust, too, so it's probably that manufacturers have to cut cost and weight to meet profits and regulations so maybe the Tacoma just gets more attention. I dunno.
My recommendation is if you like the Tacoma and it's not currently rusty, go for it. But you can't assume a 20+ year life just driving them anymore. You have to keep after the rust, clean, scrape, prime, paint and coat with something in the winter. I use Fluid Film twice a year and would suggest you NOT use an undercoat. The only time an undercoat makes sense is brand new where there is zero rust. If you put a rubberized coating over existing rust it will just chew up steel under there unabated until it fails. You want to see and fix rust as it starts. I generally spend the summer cleaning up the winter corrosion.
SteveH
Hard Core 4+
You have to keep after the rust, clean, scrape, prime, paint and coat with something in the winter. I use Fluid Film twice a year and would suggest you NOT use an undercoat. The only time an undercoat makes sense is brand new where there is zero rust. If you put a rubberized coating over existing rust it will just chew up steel under there unabated until it fails. You want to see and fix rust as it starts. I generally spend the summer cleaning up the winter corrosion.
x2 on this - and if you want a more durable coating than Fluid Film (which I like), put on a rubber glove and dive into a 1 lb. tub of axle grease, and lay in on the frame or axle parts. I keep a tub of axle grease around (labeled 'dirty' on the lid, so I don't use it for wheel bearings) and use that for nasty frame bits.
x2 on this - and if you want a more durable coating than Fluid Film (which I like), put on a rubber glove and dive into a 1 lb. tub of axle grease, and lay in on the frame or axle parts. I keep a tub of axle grease around (labeled 'dirty' on the lid, so I don't use it for wheel bearings) and use that for nasty frame bits.
White Stripe
Hard Core 4+
You could strip the truck down to the bare frame and have the frame galvanized. Their is a company near Denver that does hot dip galvanize.
rover67
Rising Sun Member
what place does hot dip galvanize?
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
Wonder if this related to the suit in Arkansas over this.
http://legalnewsline.com/stories/51...usty-toyota-tacomas-are-essentially-worthless
Dunno how this affect you 2xfai, but this may put your mind at ease?
If I read this correctly I may be covered until 2027 since I bought my truck in 2015 from a Toyota dealer, had the original inspection, there's a paper trail with Toyota corporate even. It's probably the same in-service warranty like the 95-04, where the truck was covered for 12 years after the truck was first purchased, so my frame warranty would be until 2020 or 2021.
Either way I'm not going to stop doing my maintenance.
Although I don't know if this covers all Tacomas, members of the class in the lawsuit, if everyone is by default in that class (I don't remember being asked to participate or not).
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
So 2005-2010 Tacoma (along with 2007-2008 Tundra, 2005-2008 Sequoia) will be covered by this current round of class action. Looks like we have until 3/27/2017 to decide to opt out of the class action, apply for reimbursement (if previous action has occurred) and the inspection and potential replacement I guess will occur down the road.
http://www.toyotaframesettlement.com
This is the long form:
http://www.toyotaframesettlement.co.../Toyota_Tacoma_Formatted_Long_Form_Notice.pdf
I'm not sure if I should remain in the class or exclude myself. I doubt if rust develops down the road that going it alone against Toyota would go anywhere. Also my frame isn't particularly rusty and passed the previous limited service campaign inspection, so I'm more concerned with staying current and not waiving any coverage I might have. Would appreciate any law talking people to read and digest the legal speak.
The biggest PITA is probably taking off the sliders for the inspection. But that was going to happen this spring anyway for me to inspect anyway.
If I read it correctly the term is 12 years -or- 1 year from the final judgement. So it's not a 2020 goal line for my truck, but 2018 I guess.
http://www.toyotaframesettlement.com
This is the long form:
http://www.toyotaframesettlement.co.../Toyota_Tacoma_Formatted_Long_Form_Notice.pdf
I'm not sure if I should remain in the class or exclude myself. I doubt if rust develops down the road that going it alone against Toyota would go anywhere. Also my frame isn't particularly rusty and passed the previous limited service campaign inspection, so I'm more concerned with staying current and not waiving any coverage I might have. Would appreciate any law talking people to read and digest the legal speak.
The biggest PITA is probably taking off the sliders for the inspection. But that was going to happen this spring anyway for me to inspect anyway.
If I read it correctly the term is 12 years -or- 1 year from the final judgement. So it's not a 2020 goal line for my truck, but 2018 I guess.
DaveInDenver
Rising Sun Ham Guru
The Tacoma frame corrosion seems to be expanding. Only a single post so far but keep an eye out to see if Limited Service Campaigns K0D and ZKA are really to affect 2011-2017 trucks.
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/frame-coverage-for-2011.590939/
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/frame-coverage-for-2011.590939/
nuclearlemon
Hard Core 4+
only rusty looking part on my tundra is the rear driveshaft....that has dana all over it. 