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Ethanol Free Gasoline in Littleton

J1000

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Better performance and fuel mileage in my FJ62 with less pinging under load. In Kansas City, ethanol free 91 octane can be found at nearly every gas station for about two or three cents more than ethanolized. Here in Colorado it's considerably more and rare in the Denver area. :(
Two things:
First if you are getting noticeably better performance just by switching between two different 91 fuels the only difference is ethanol content; that sounds like a mixture issue. Your mixture is likely lean and since ethanol has less energy by volume, using 10% ethanol fuel is reducing fuel ratio even further. Both of these = reduced power and audible knock. My guess is if you are getting audible knock on 10%-ethanol, then your engine is still knocking without, just not as bad. Ethanol content increases knock resistance on top so if you are knocking = lean mixture. I know for a fact that @Cruisertrash's 62 runs super lean in all conditions. If you truck runs lean, yes getting rid of ethanol will "help" but it also is a band-aid not a solution. As you notice it results in lower power, worse MPG, and knocking, and it costs more.

Putting premium gas into an old Cruiser to me is the same as pouring it down the sink. Just a waste. You are spending $10-15 more per single fill-up, that money could be spent re-jetting your carb and getting the engine into a proper state of tune. If you can afford it and don't care, then more power to you I guess. Re-jetting and getting it tuned will result in more HP on 85-octane and better MPG than being poorly tuned on ethanol free 91.

Secondly, ethanol does not "Gum up" carbs. Ethanol frees up old deposits and gunk from the fuel, and that gunk then flows through the fuel system and it clogs things up. The ethanol is only a solvent. If you used exclusively ethanol fuel and a carb-cleaning product every once in awhile, eventually all of your fuel system would be cleaned up and the gumming up would never return. It is possible that by using ethanol-free gas, you are actually contributing and exacerbating to the problem.

my evap system is shot in my 80. No issues with ethanol free. If I put ethanol in I experience the volcano on hot days when I remove the gas cap. Along with constant evap fumes while driving and parked.

I have a spare charcoal canister I plan to disassemble this summer and rebuild.
Yes, ethanol does contribute to more evap gas and pressure, that is true. Boiling/gas volcano is something that affects nearly all generations of Cruisers. I solved it in my truck by adding heat shielding between the exhaust and gas tank and rebuilding my charcoal canister.
 

Shuksan

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Denver
People really go nuts for ethanol free. Why do you guys like it? For me it's just expensive for no point? Lawn mower has always run fine.
My lawn mower seems to be able to take all the abuse and still run just fine. If I don't do something preventative (stabilizer, run monthly, possibly ethanol free) then I have to go in and clean carb every november/december. Of course it is always when its like 5 F out.
 

J1000

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My lawn mower seems to be able to take all the abuse and still run just fine. If I don't do something preventative (stabilizer, run monthly, possibly ethanol free) then I have to go in and clean carb every november/december. Of course it is always when its like 5 F out.
I can't relate really as I've just run gas from the closest place in tons of different types of mowers and snowblowers riding mowers etc. Never used anything other than just gas and cleaned/changed the plug and filter. Always fires up, never had to clean a carb. Are you saying that in Nov/Dec you are cleaning the carb I'm guessing as you are winterizing it? In that case it was running all season mowing the grass and you just notice it "looks dirty" or something but it doesn't affect performance? Am I getting that right? Have you tried not fixing it if it ain't broke? I mean, nobody ever cleaned a carb before ethanol fuels, right? ;)
 

AlpineAccess

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Loveland
The issue I had for several years on my boat was fuel line that was not rated for ethanol. I had almost microscopic bits of rubber coming off the fuel line and being attracted to the needle valve tips. I rebuilt the carb twice in a year after having a very rich run condition while idling, and then sent it into a shop where they noted the rubber bits on the needle valves and recommended I replace anything rubber between the filter and carb; and also said its best to do everything pre-filter as well. I formed and installed hard lines between the fuel filter and the carb and replaced everything else with fuel line rated for ethanol and no problems the last two years with regular pump gas.
 

DaveInDenver

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Grand Junction
The issue I had for several years on my boat was fuel line that was not rated for ethanol. I had almost microscopic bits of rubber coming off the fuel line and being attracted to the needle valve tips. I rebuilt the carb twice in a year after having a very rich run condition while idling, and then sent it into a shop where they noted the rubber bits on the needle valves and recommended I replace anything rubber between the filter and carb; and also said its best to do everything pre-filter as well. I formed and installed hard lines between the fuel filter and the carb and replaced everything else with fuel line rated for ethanol and no problems the last two years with regular pump gas.
Deteriorating fuel lines and seals is one significant issue I have experienced as well.

Also that ethanol is hygroscopic has on occasion given me corrosion problems. Treating the fuel with Sta-Bil helps with that.
 

thatpilotguy

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Feb 27, 2022
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Often the tanks would swell so bad when you removed them for service you couldn't get them back on the bike. This was a huge issue that affected tens of thousands of bikes, so I went far out of my way to fill up with only ethanol free. I've also wondered if the evap issues and smell of fuel that affects the 100 and 200 at high altitudes and temps could be mitigated with ethanol free gas.

Do you mind expanding on this? I'm unfamiliar with any altitude/temperature related fuel issues on the 100 and 200.
 
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