Threadlocker Alternative to Support Trail Access

[Hulk]

I received this email and thought I should post it here. I have not verified his claims concerning Loctite. I will invite Sean to join the forum and the discussion.
- Matt

Hello,

First off, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Sean Nichols. I am a Colorado Native and lifelong off-road enthusiast. I have been a huge fan of the Rising Sun 4x4 club for years and have seen the club numerous times out on the trails in Colorado. The owners of Loctite, the Henkel family, donated a lot of money to shut down a bunch of trails near one of their luxury resorts(Dunton Hot Springs) in the Telluride/Rico area. It made me sick to my stomach to watch this lawsuit and the trails it closed. After doing a lot more research into the Owner's of Loctite, they are against everything the off-road community stands for.

In response, I started my own threadlocker company to give back to the off-road community. I donate a portion of my sales back to trail organizations and I am a business sponsor of the Blue Ribbon Coalition and CORE. My website is stuck-nutz.com. I would love to make a connection with the Rising Sun 4x4 club to raise awareness about my product and look for opportunities to sponsor the club or provide discounts to the members.

I look forward to talking soon. Please let me know what opportunities I have to work with the Rising Sun 4x4 club.

I appreciate everything.
Sean Nichols
admin@stuck-nutz.com

 

[Notyourmomslx450]

dang! if that's true i'll never buy loctite again!

 

[rushthezeppelin]

I'm going to pass this info off to the 4runner forums.

 

[DaveInDenver]

Henkel is a German company, a big one, Fortune 500. They own a lot of things. Loctite and Dial for example but also Borax, Purex, Surf detergent.

https://www.henkel.com/

Dunton Hot Springs is a resort north of Rico.

https://www.duntondestinations.com/hot-springs/

It is owned by a man named Christoph Henkel, who is the grandson of the man who started the Henkel company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Henkel

https://www.forbes.com/profile/christoph-henkel/

However I don't see how his connection to the Henkel company (he's in charge of a shareholder's group and is the largest shareholder) is directly relevant. It's a corporation unto itself and predictably has a sustainability policy and probably donate money to a lot of things.

But their core businesses wouldn't seem directly OHV related either way, unlike perhaps Jeep being (presumably) pro-OHV or REI being anti-OHV. So to call a sustainability policy anti-OHV would be a pretty wide net to cast since that would implicate a lot of companies. Is Alcoa anti-OHV because they sell aluminum to Easton who makes tent poles for Big Agnes, who might be anti-OHV?

Now the man personally and whatever ownership structure the resort has, thus the family, who knows. Probably not a friend to OHV any more than other ultra wealthy owners throughout Colorado and elsewhere.

But without context Dunton is a private property and what they have done to be "anti-OHV" would have to be explained. It may very well be true that there's some reason I haven't found. The only thing I've come across is a passing reference to Upper Calico (these are trails around Rico, which must have damage from Dunton's horse riders) and mention of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers on Thumpertalk.

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/corporate_partners

https://www.thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1234153-rico-area-what-trail-is-this/

BHA has a lot of corporate supporters, some I'd call obvious anti-OHV and some I'd think would be agnostic or at least surprised would want to be seen as such. Plus, that forum post doesn't have any specific references.

 

[Corbet]

Dunton offers 4x4 tours as part of its summer activities list. https://www.duntondestinations.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/2022-Summer-Activity-Menu-DHS-DRC.pdf

I would say Dunton is not anti 4x4 but more accurately they prefer to only have their very wealthy client base recreating in their back yard and not give a reason for non-paying guests to recreate in proximity of the resort.

If Stuck-Nutz donates to our community as part of his business plan then that alone is reason to use his product/s independent of what other companies do.

 

[AimCOTaco]

I'm goin' stucknutz on naming alone... but in reality I probably already have a lifetime supply of loctite stashed.
I'm glad the new stuff is following the old color coding... (yep Blue-Nutz for 243) I think I found permatex in blue that should have been red by the old loctite color standard.

 

[nuclearlemon]

i always hated loctite for their numbering, but now permatex changed and doesn't match anymore either.

 

[Stuck Nutz]

Henkel is a German company, a big one, Fortune 500. They own a lot of things. Loctite and Dial for example but also Borax, Purex, Surf detergent.

https://www.henkel.com/

Dunton Hot Springs is a resort north of Rico.

https://www.duntondestinations.com/hot-springs/

It is owned by a man named Christoph Henkel, who is the grandson of the man who started the Henkel company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Henkel

https://www.forbes.com/profile/christoph-henkel/

However I don't see how his connection to the Henkel company (he's in charge of a shareholder's group and is the largest shareholder) is directly relevant. It's a corporation unto itself and predictably has a sustainability policy and probably donate money to a lot of things.

But their core businesses wouldn't seem directly OHV related either way, unlike perhaps Jeep being (presumably) pro-OHV or REI being anti-OHV. So to call a sustainability policy anti-OHV would be a pretty wide net to cast since that would implicate a lot of companies. Is Alcoa anti-OHV because they sell aluminum to Easton who makes tent poles for Big Agnes, who might be anti-OHV?

Now the man personally and whatever ownership structure the resort has, thus the family, who knows. Probably not a friend to OHV any more than other ultra wealthy owners throughout Colorado and elsewhere.

But without context Dunton is a private property and what they have done to be "anti-OHV" would have to be explained. It may very well be true that there's some reason I haven't found. The only thing I've come across is a passing reference to Upper Calico (these are trails around Rico, which must have damage from Dunton's horse riders) and mention of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers on Thumpertalk.

https://www.backcountryhunters.org/corporate_partners

https://www.thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1234153-rico-area-what-trail-is-this/

BHA has a lot of corporate supporters, some I'd call obvious anti-OHV and some I'd think would be agnostic or at least surprised would want to be seen as such. Plus, that forum post doesn't have any specific references.

Dave,

I appreciate you digging in to this. Here is a li k to the lawsuit where Henkel pushed for the restricted access to our public lands and a news article with their ownership of the Dunton Hot Springs
:

Rico-West Dolores travel plan gains another lawsuit

A travel management plan recently approved by the San Juan National Forest for the Dolores Valley now faces a second lawsuit — this time from environmentalists and Dunton Hot Springs. The R...

www.the-journal.com

https://pdf.wildearthguardians.org/legal-portal/Doc-45-Guardians-et-al-opening-brief-FILED-Rico-West-Dolores.pdf

I would love to discuss further and can answer any other questions.

 

[Corbet]

we need a new pandemic that scares people back into the cities

 

[DaveInDenver]

Thank you for following up @Stuck Nutz. That's a pretty direct anti-access stance Dunton has taken.

I'm in complete agreement that we should hold accountable anyone who's anti-access of any kind and I'd prefer to support those who are explicitly pro-access. I'll do that without a doubt.

But gotta be careful about taking public stances. Henkel Company/Loctite as near as I can tell is not one-in-the-same entity as Christoph Henkel/Dunton Destinations and I don't think anyone should be made to feel guilty if they happen to still use Loctite.

But I'm also not an advocate for absolute OHV use either. Seasonal closures for elk calving isn't anti-OHV per se. Although Wild Earth Guardians are also very disingenuous since they have this tactic of using a legitimate concern as stepping stone to their end goals.

 

[Corbet]

Everything is a slippy slope these days. The reality is we simply are running out of public lands to meet the demand for users and balance that with a healthy ecosystem.

 

[Inukshuk]

Product related, MSDS sheet says:
- Manufacturer/Supplier:
134 INDUSTRIES LLC
2020 N. Academy Blvd., Ste. 261 1620
Colorado Springs, Colorado 80909
That's the maker, Sean's company.

Questions:
How are threadlockers tested? I never questioned the big brands, but if I was to switch to a new small brand, how do I know it will work?
Is this made in a batches by a major chemical manufacturer? Imported in 55 gal barrels from India? Made in Sean's garage?

 

[Stuck Nutz]

I appreciate you asking. I work directly with an industrial chemical manufacturer here in the United States. All of the threadlockers are tested to meet their respective ASTM and MIL standards in an ISO/IEC 17025 facility accredited with the A2LA. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

 

[rushthezeppelin]

Product related, MSDS sheet says:
- Manufacturer/Supplier:
134 INDUSTRIES LLC
2020 N. Academy Blvd., Ste. 261 1620
Colorado Springs, Colorado 80909
That's the maker, Sean's company.

Questions:
How are threadlockers tested? I never questioned the big brands, but if I was to switch to a new small brand, how do I know it will work?
Is this made in a batches by a major chemical manufacturer? Imported in 55 gal barrels from India? Made in Sean's garage?

Maybe we can start bugging Project Farm to do a video on it.