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School Me: Diesel Trucks and Towing

jps8460

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Howdy Gang! I’ve been thinking of picking up a tow rig and trailer. I’ve tinkered with the idea for a long time, but never pulled the trigger. Ive done a fair bit of research and have a bit of experience with older trucks, but would love some insight

I’m looking at stuff in the 13-18k range (for the truck), needs to be 4x4, and in running condition. I’m not spooked by manual transmissions or a lot of miles if the maintenance records are there.

I’ve been eyeing some clean 2000-2004 Dodge trucks but I have flashbacks of working at the parts store and selling steering components for these when they were 3 and 4 years old.

Anyhow, what am I missing?
 

Notyourmomslx450

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I love a 7.3 F250, 350, or even excursions.
 

ScaldedDog

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How much weight are you towing, what kind of load, and to where?

I've towed my 4runner (66-6800lbs, including the trailer) to Moab 51 times with my '01 7.3 Excursion, and highly recommend them for that purpose. Any similar vintage truck is 25 years old, and so will need work. Some for repair, and some for improvement to make it tow across the Rockies reliably.

Happy to answer any questions about what I've done to mine over the 23 years I've owned it.

Mark
 

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74fj40

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I’ve had such great luck with 1st generation duramax equipped trucks. 01-07. Easy to work on, quiet, comfortable, plenty of power in stock form. 04-07 are going to have more power but also emissions equipped.
 

SaintAgatha

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I hate our Dodge with a passion. I hate the Dodge dealership even more. I hate the amount of money that damn truck requires. I can never find third gear (and I dailied a manual for 15 years). It leaks something and makes a horrible noise when turning hard (yet I am constantly assured by multiple parties that it's "fine.") Headlights are impossible fix if some stupid computer dies. I would be ok if that damn thing fell off a cliff.

But it tows great. That's the only reason why I haven't pushed it off a cliff. Fuel economy is also a plus.

@DanS can give you details. I don't bother to learn them because I hate that truck so much. 04 Ram of some sort, 200k+ miles, manual, diesel, dually is about all I know.

You're welcome to borrow it sometime, but only if you promise to never return it.
 

DanS

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Howdy Gang! I’ve been thinking of picking up a tow rig and trailer. I’ve tinkered with the idea for a long time, but never pulled the trigger. Ive done a fair bit of research and have a bit of experience with older trucks, but would love some insight

I’m looking at stuff in the 13-18k range (for the truck), needs to be 4x4, and in running condition. I’m not spooked by manual transmissions or a lot of miles if the maintenance records are there.

I’ve been eyeing some clean 2000-2004 Dodge trucks but I have flashbacks of working at the parts store and selling steering components for these when they were 3 and 4 years old.

Anyhow, what am I missing?
Mine is a 2004 3500, with the 24 valve common rail Cummins, with the NV5600.

The engine and transmission are the best things about the truck, by far. I’ve towed a full 14K up to our place with it more than a few times, and the sketchiest part is always tying stuff down in the trailer—not the way it tows. Not just pulls, but braking, weight distribution, etc…. There’s just no stress to moving a big load with that truck. 100°F and going over Raton Pass? Just zips right up with the fan clutching and declining and the temp gauge hovers at the same spot.

That’s the good. The bad is EVERYTHING ELSE. You noted the steering: The factory “Y style” steering Dodge tried in that era is absolute trash. Just an absolute death wobble machine. As in: stop immediately, not even time to pull over death wobble. Good news is the fix is easy: Put in newer steering relay and tie rods, because they went back to tried and true T style setup.

The whole truck is controlled through a computer under the hood that is exposed to moisture and goes bad. When the TIPM goes, you suddenly don’t get left turn signals, or your horn just starts honking in the middle of the night, or any other number of electrical gremlins. Also, can’t get a new one. There’s a company that rebuilds them, and so far that has worked for me, but I’m waiting for the day it goes wonky again.

The HVAC controls are an issue, and time consuming to fix. I cannot guarantee that I get defrost, for instance. And if it does, a little bump on the road and it’s suddenly no longer working.

I also hate the Dana axles. I probably would like them more if I lived in a more suburban area, but as it is up our road, I seem to rebuild the axles every 10K miles or so (not exaggerating).

Stuff like that. But the engine and transmission are awesome, and it is awesome to know that I can chuck a big load on the truck and just go anywhere with it.

I like the flatbed, but get a better one than my Bradford bed. It’s like it was designed by people who couldn’t measure how big a standard pallet is. It fits one. But it’s about 3/4” short in two directions from fitting 4.

And towing a gooseneck is so much smoother. And a truck that size really opens up your ability to get better trailers.

Dan
 

SaintAgatha

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Mine is a 2004 3500, with the 24 valve common rail Cummins, with the NV5600.

The engine and transmission are the best things about the truck, by far. I’ve towed a full 14K up to our place with it more than a few times, and the sketchiest part is always tying stuff down in the trailer—not the way it tows. Not just pulls, but braking, weight distribution, etc…. There’s just no stress to moving a big load with that truck. 100°F and going over Raton Pass? Just zips right up with the fan clutching and declining and the temp gauge hovers at the same spot.

That’s the good. The bad is EVERYTHING ELSE. You noted the steering: The factory “Y style” steering Dodge tried in that era is absolute trash. Just an absolute death wobble machine. As in: stop immediately, not even time to pull over death wobble. Good news is the fix is easy: Put in newer steering relay and tie rods, because they went back to tried and true T style setup.

The whole truck is controlled through a computer under the hood that is exposed to moisture and goes bad. When the TIPM goes, you suddenly don’t get left turn signals, or your horn just starts honking in the middle of the night, or any other number of electrical gremlins. Also, can’t get a new one. There’s a company that rebuilds them, and so far that has worked for me, but I’m waiting for the day it goes wonky again.

The HVAC controls are an issue, and time consuming to fix. I cannot guarantee that I get defrost, for instance. And if it does, a little bump on the road and it’s suddenly no longer working.

I also hate the Dana axles. I probably would like them more if I lived in a more suburban area, but as it is up our road, I seem to rebuild the axles every 10K miles or so (not exaggerating).

Stuff like that. But the engine and transmission are awesome, and it is awesome to know that I can chuck a big load on the truck and just go anywhere with it.

I like the flatbed, but get a better one than my Bradford bed. It’s like it was designed by people who couldn’t measure how big a standard pallet is. It fits one. But it’s about 3/4” short in two directions from fitting 4.

And towing a gooseneck is so much smoother. And a truck that size really opens up your ability to get better trailers.

Dan

He forgot that you must always be within 5 ft of an auto parts store, or, alternatively, keep no less than 5 new rad caps in the center console at all times.

Note: there is plenty of room in the center console for all of the shit you need to carry around with you.

Also note: the massive center console means driver and passenger sit on separate continents. Good for some, bad for those that actually like their spouse.

Dan also forgot to add that the passenger 👀 side AC is nonexistent.

And also be sure it had the airbag recalls done (if applicable). Both driver and passenger. I don't remember/know what the driver one was about, but when I read about the shrapnel risk to the passenger ...
 
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DanS

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He forgot that you must always be within 5 ft of an auto parts store, or, alternatively, keep no less than 5 new rad caps in the center console at all times.
5 is ideal. You can probably survive with 3. Probably. The <1 year life of radiator caps is mind boggling to me.

One other thing I forgot to mention: It’s huge. If I could find a similar (manual transmission) truck that was a regular/tradesman cab with a shorter wheelbase I’d trade it in a second. Big truck + trailer = needs more space than you think to get a trailer into normal spaces.

Dan
 

Burt88

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After having driven and towed with every brand across generations, and I needed another diesel, I'm only going to buy a Duramax with the 6 speed Allison. Emissions don't even matter to me because in reality it didn't effect what I did with the trucks, ever.
 
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