Not really a trip report but a comment on the degree of difficulty currently found on these two trails. I have been driving both for nearly 20 years now. The bottom third of Red E was usually enough to get you to pay attention but no big deal. The rest of the way to Bill Moore was a walk in the park in years gone by. Today, along with Scott Yoder in JadeRunner, the entire length of Red E from bottom to top was enough to keep us focused all the way. This is a pic of what used to be a simple bump on the upper half of the trail.
Hardly impassible, but the rocks had to be dealt with, you couldn’t simply drive around them as the trail was too soft and fell off sharply. Just one of many obstacles that didn’t use to be there. Once you get to the top of Red E it’s nothing technical but still very much rougher than it used to be up to the lake. Increased usage has definitely changed the nature of both trails. Worked for us and it was a fun and challenging four hour loop. The bottom half of Red E is a hoot.