Caribou Sandstorm
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Some of it definitely yes, some of it definitely no...But you can by pass the no-trailer sections.. There is some fantastic camping along this route for trailers.
Kokopelli Dbl-overnighter CM11
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Thanks - I'll keep that in mind for future reference Chris.
Air Randy
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What was the total miles driven and how much gas would you have to tote in an FJ40 to do this run? Not all of us have those luxury wagons and roof racks 
Caribou Sandstorm
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You probably only need 10 extra gallons. If in a group and you needed a couple more you probably would be good, if solo maybe 15 gallons just to be safe.
It is not really that remote..you have several options along the way to bail and head to Moab.
It is not really that remote..you have several options along the way to bail and head to Moab.
powderpig
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Well Randy you really do not have a 40, but a buggie. How much fuel do you carry on Meanie? I know I started with a full fuel main tank with only 30 highway mile on it and carried 15 in the Aux tank. I used all but the Aux tank traveling along. Most with 80's used there mains and had some poured in at one time or the other. So most burned close to 22 gallons or more on the bigger vehicles.
I do not record the acutal miles of the trip, but the book states about 140 miles for the whole Kokopelli trip.
What was not included in the actual trip are the side we took, like Top of the World, the Delores river water crossing, and the trip on the highway and back to Onion Creek.
So I would guess I average with my truck about 8 MPG for the average of it all. I would guess when I did the scout trip, moving at a different pace, I got a better MPG, may be burned about 15 gallons.
But one needs to move at the pace the whole group can, so more fuel consumption is going to happen.
I do not know if that tells you what you want Randy, but a few of the bigger rigs may of made it on one tank if we did not go back and forth to the onion creek trail head to the Dewey bridge(about 40 miles highway on lower tire pressures). Plus going back up to the trail split the next day to back track up to the split at the top of the trail (about 5 miles all up hill on dirt and traveling slow).
Hope that helps Randy, what do you figure you get offroad in you Buggie? How big is your fuel tank in your rig?
I do not record the acutal miles of the trip, but the book states about 140 miles for the whole Kokopelli trip.
What was not included in the actual trip are the side we took, like Top of the World, the Delores river water crossing, and the trip on the highway and back to Onion Creek.
So I would guess I average with my truck about 8 MPG for the average of it all. I would guess when I did the scout trip, moving at a different pace, I got a better MPG, may be burned about 15 gallons.
But one needs to move at the pace the whole group can, so more fuel consumption is going to happen.
I do not know if that tells you what you want Randy, but a few of the bigger rigs may of made it on one tank if we did not go back and forth to the onion creek trail head to the Dewey bridge(about 40 miles highway on lower tire pressures). Plus going back up to the trail split the next day to back track up to the split at the top of the trail (about 5 miles all up hill on dirt and traveling slow).
Hope that helps Randy, what do you figure you get offroad in you Buggie? How big is your fuel tank in your rig?
Air Randy
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Don't forget we still have the Blue Mule when a less buggified vehicle is appropriate. It has the stock 16 gal (I think?) tank and a 6 gal jerry can on the tire carrier. I could probably rig up a couple more external can mounts if needed. It has the 2F, H61 4 spd and orion TC. If you can run most of the trail in high range using the granny 1st gear of the H61 the mileage will be a lot better. If it's mostly low range stuff then the 4-1 ratio of the orion becomes a factor. It has 4.88 gears and 37" IROK radials.
We drove from our house in Franktown up to the snowrun location this year, spent a lot of time churning around in the snow in low range and made it back home on the same tank of gas. Sounds like we could probably make it without too much extra effort.
The Meanie is actually just as roadable as the Mule but doesn't have much storage space in the back for tents & coolers and such.
Anyone that couldn't make it to Moab interested in doing this as a club run some time this summer before it gets too hot?
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rover67
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I usually budget 8 mpg for any off road trip that involves heavier wheeling or heavy throttle. If it is lighter wheeling and more easy going I budget 10mpg.
that's in my rig with the same v-8 meanie has.
that's in my rig with the same v-8 meanie has.
DaveInDenver
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Robbie, have you driven White Rim in your 80? If so, how did your fuel consumption compare? I tend to get the equivalent of about 10 MPG on average, although I prefer to do my calcs in gallons per hour. It's funny, though, my truck generally gets close to the same gal/hr regardless if it's 65MPH on the highway or intermittent 4wd-low.
I rode along a fwe years ago with Robbie and another from the Trail Teams, we ended up doing the Rim in a day (a lazy day at that
) but I didnt monitor his fuel
powderpig
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I do not think I burned more than a 1/2 tank or less on that trip. I only dropped into low range for going down the steep stuff, the rest was a good cruise at 25 -30 mph or more when we could.
Yes I forgot the blue mule, If you can go at a better MPH then you may be well enough off, I just would watch how much fuel you have at the different jump off points to get into Moab, Dewey bridge is the easiest. The rest are further away from Moab and fuel.
Yes I forgot the blue mule, If you can go at a better MPH then you may be well enough off, I just would watch how much fuel you have at the different jump off points to get into Moab, Dewey bridge is the easiest. The rest are further away from Moab and fuel.
rhyary
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Hey,
Just wanted to say a late thanks to Robbie and Chris, Bill and Dan.
I loved being three days out like that. I hope will have it next year as well.
I used full tank plus 2 x 20L and came back to Moab with the needle on empty but no light.
Rami
Just wanted to say a late thanks to Robbie and Chris, Bill and Dan.
I loved being three days out like that. I hope will have it next year as well.
I used full tank plus 2 x 20L and came back to Moab with the needle on empty but no light.
Rami
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Gerdo
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I have a small group thinking about running the Kokopelli. Is there a good guide book or map that you would suggest?
Missed this thread. It was great wheeling with all you guys! Hope to see all of ya this year!
Caribou Sandstorm
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I have the Moab East Trails topo map. I picked mine up at the Moab visitors center. It is the purple one, there are a set of 3 or 4, each one a different color.
It has the entire Kokopelli trail, which is a made up of several trails.
www.latitude40maps.com, is the maker of the maps.
Hope this helps.
Gerdo
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Great info. Thanks
Gerdo
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What would you rate this trail? (traildamage ratings) Or compare the tough sections too? I have wheeled a lot in Moab so it could be compared to those.
Caribou Sandstorm
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Pretty breezy, probably a 3 out 10 mostly except for post Top of the world section and Rose Garden Hill. Maybe a 6 out of 10 overall?
Rose Garden is tough but you are going down hill. The route is right/center-right all the way down.
The section post Top of the World can be narrow and washed out, potentially needing some rock stacking at times, then there is a ledgy climb that may require some creative angled climbing if you are without A-trac or lockers. But it is doable if you are open in 4x4 low.
I also meant to tell you about the first section between Cisco Landing and Fish Ford camp area. Just as you pass Fish Ford camp area and cross over the paved road back to dirt. There is a Koko sign to the left and a well traveled road straight ahead. You want to stay straight here. This is the only time you will not follow the koko signs.. going left at this juncture would take you to single track and is not passable via 4x4 vehicle.
Then as you meander straight west, you will find you are in a nice open valley, their will be a faint right turn not to far maybe half a mile or so, looks like the road less traveled but you want to turn right here, the road more traveled pics up again and is obvious, as it takes you north into Cisco landing.
The gate may be open or closed. Remember the rule for gates, if open-leave open, if closed..open-pass through-close behind you..
Cisco takes you to 128, you travel about 5 miles or so on this highway before seeing the koko sign on your right. Along the way you will encounter another gate in this section, same drill.
Hope this helps.
Rose Garden is tough but you are going down hill. The route is right/center-right all the way down.
The section post Top of the World can be narrow and washed out, potentially needing some rock stacking at times, then there is a ledgy climb that may require some creative angled climbing if you are without A-trac or lockers. But it is doable if you are open in 4x4 low.
I also meant to tell you about the first section between Cisco Landing and Fish Ford camp area. Just as you pass Fish Ford camp area and cross over the paved road back to dirt. There is a Koko sign to the left and a well traveled road straight ahead. You want to stay straight here. This is the only time you will not follow the koko signs.. going left at this juncture would take you to single track and is not passable via 4x4 vehicle.
Then as you meander straight west, you will find you are in a nice open valley, their will be a faint right turn not to far maybe half a mile or so, looks like the road less traveled but you want to turn right here, the road more traveled pics up again and is obvious, as it takes you north into Cisco landing.
The gate may be open or closed. Remember the rule for gates, if open-leave open, if closed..open-pass through-close behind you..
Cisco takes you to 128, you travel about 5 miles or so on this highway before seeing the koko sign on your right. Along the way you will encounter another gate in this section, same drill.
Hope this helps.
RyanR
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Cruise Moab 2012
Hey guys, I am new here, my name is Ryan as you can probably tell from my username. I am very interested in doing the 2012 Kokopelli double over-nighter. I have been watching the Cruise Moab site for registration to open but I was wondering if you guys do any sort of pre-registration since your group is running the event?
Just read through the thread and it looks a great trip. Hopefully I will get to join you guys this year and if not have a great time and I'll see you in Moab!
Ryan
Hey guys, I am new here, my name is Ryan as you can probably tell from my username. I am very interested in doing the 2012 Kokopelli double over-nighter. I have been watching the Cruise Moab site for registration to open but I was wondering if you guys do any sort of pre-registration since your group is running the event?
Just read through the thread and it looks a great trip. Hopefully I will get to join you guys this year and if not have a great time and I'll see you in Moab!
Ryan
Hey - fun to see my rig here. Those biker babes were hotties!
Ryan - that was my first time on Kokopelli. I rode in the cruiser in the first picture with Tobascofish. I bought it from him a few weeks later. Kokopelli was a blast - bunch of fun guys to hang out with for a few days and stunning scenery.
Ryan - that was my first time on Kokopelli. I rode in the cruiser in the first picture with Tobascofish. I bought it from him a few weeks later. Kokopelli was a blast - bunch of fun guys to hang out with for a few days and stunning scenery.
Caribou Sandstorm
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So what is Tobascofish driving now that you have his Land Cruiser?