Good Carb rebuild for 2F in Denver Area - OR - Can someone help me with my first rebuild?

timmbuck2

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I have at least 1 extra Fj60 carb and several in storage from random 40s. @MonPetiteShoe I would trade 60 parts for carb learnin!


I have a weber on my 40 on the original F engine. Wonder if I should rebuild an oem one? She starts and drives well, but does not idle down after it warms up.
 

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Is 2026 the year of Carbs? I dunno, let's lean into it.

Just need a workbench, some carb dip, a TSM, and a can-do attitude.
 

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this thread reminds me of this picture from here:
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it fits so nicely with my ocd

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Wow, that's a really good rate. I spoke to Jim just a couple of weeks ago and that's what he quoted me, $500 and change with a 2 to 3 month turnaround time. Maybe you can persuade him to extend the Friends and Family rate to me :LOL: ?

The last carb I had him do for me was ~2012ish, for my FJ60. I'm sure since then, demand for his services has increased and thus price has too. The demand (and limited supply, his time) might also explain the longer lead times.
 

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@ColoradoLC You can do this. Find the videos that Pinhead posted on YouTube - they should be easy to find if search something like "Pinhead carb rebuild". Use the manual (https://archive.org/details/2-f-engine/page/n55/mode/2up) to guide you in the rebuild, it starts in Section 6. Follow it exactly. With respect to passing emissions in general, make this your bible: https://forum.ih8mud.com/resources/2f-engine-emission-control-1981-36043e.138/ Go through and test EVERYTHING. Replace all the vac lines if they're old, whether they look fine or not. Before a smog test change: oil, oil filter, fuel filter, air filter, spark plugs. I agree with Ross that rejetting isn't super common and these carbs run fine at altitude when the rest of the system is properly set up. There's one exception to that and I'm not even going to get into it unless you're completely bombing on NOx and HC, but CO is super low. It's a workaround/system adjustment that's just confusing noise unless you're failing emissions in that very specific way - I don't want to send you down the wrong track. You have to make sure every system is functioning properly to get these trucks to pass Colorado's newer and more stringent smog standards. Look on the driver's side inner fender - do you have the black & white vacuum valve there? If so - gotcha! - you haven't gone completely through the engine bay. that's just one example. Those valves are all bad at this age and need to be replaced with the 80 Series equivalent (City Racer has 'em cheaper than the dealership). Some common issues: stuck EGR valve, leaky EGR system, both Air Injection system check valves not working, Hot Air Intake system stuck on, evap canister/evap system non-functioning, distributor venting system not working (won't affect smog test results, but can corrode your dizzy). And vacuum leaks, everybody's got 'em unless they've gone over the system with a fine tooth comb.. What'd your idle vacuum out of curiosity. Base timing set by the book? I should probably also ask if you did the lean drop carb tuning method before running through emissions last time.

@Rzeppa I had Chenoweth do a dizzy for me recently and it took 22 months from initially reaching out to getting it back. He did a carb for me around 2020 and there was less wait time back then. Must be nice to be friends with him haha.

@MonPetiteShoe Getting rid of the carb, eh? Is that what you alluded to in the other thread where you said you were about to do some work on your 60? EFI? How much do you want for the carb?

@RDub I have the Toyota carb tool set, the basic version not the deluxe. It does have the angle gauge/pantograph thing though, which is extremely helpful in setting the secondary kick up angle. It can be done with a level app on your phone and a small straight edge though.

General notes on carb rebuilds:
-The Keyster rebuild kit does not come with a secondary diaphragm. Napa sells them separately. The Walker kit is also good, but I think it typically comes with the 40 Series secondary diaphragm which will not work.
-Get the accelerator pump plunger from City Racer. The kits all have AP pumps with rubber seals, the City Racer has a leather seal that lasts MUCH longer.
-City Racer also has bling stuff like new white zinc plated screws, new sight glass window, etc, if you want to put some shiny bits on the carb.
-Use gasket shellac to seal up all of the small, round, aluminum plugs (they look like half a ball bearing on the outside of the carb, there's several of them). In the past 18 months I've found several of those that leak on multiple carbs. They may have aged to the point where they're all getting loose.
-Blow out every passage with carb cleaner in a spray can. Carb dip is not enough. Ultrasonic cleaner is better, but still blow every passage out.
-The secondary slow cut valve is going to leak. That's just how it is.
 

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@MonPetiteShoe Getting rid of the carb, eh? Is that what you alluded to in the other thread where you said you were about to do some work on your 60? EFI? How much do you want for the carb?

It still may be a few months out. I'm focusing on getting the interior sorted first.
Then I'll start work on tinkering with the carb again.
Nov/Dec have been busy for us, but the short of the long is: We now have a house and a garage to work on projects.

I've got a spare carb that ran well before I pulled it off the donor 2F. The plan is to swap that one into mine and tune. Time is less of an issue, so I can be a little more methodical/thorough.

That said, I've got a few options here:
  1. I can diagnose what was going on with the currently installed Carb and remedy it. I'll have to look back at my notes/thread. That more or less involves the same level of tear down to install a new carb. (Removing down to the insulator.)
  2. I can pull the current carb and hotswap a good known carb.
    1. I would then rebuild the pulled carb. If I sold it, it would probably be for the price of a Keyster kit and the expressed understanding that a rebuilt carburetor must only be used for good.
 

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I am willing to help from Durango. These are not rocket science but you need to verify everything as you rebuild it against the FSM. Every jet and moving part needs to be removed, checked, and cleaned/replaced as necessary. These carbs are old and they have typically been rebuild more then once and don’t be surprised if things are incorrect or missing. Start in a nice clean space and lay out several white paper towels so you can see the parts that fall out. Keep a diagram close by and make sure all the parts are there. Typically I purchase a higher quality accelerator plunger through City Racer then comes in the Keyster kits. A lot of times the jet sizes are incorrect in the kits so also keep that in mind. Once installed with new base gaskets watch the OTRAMM tuning video to do your lean drop. Pays to have a vacuum gauge and a good timing light with tach for this procedure. Even in a well lit area I typically wear a head lamp so I can easily see in clearly. A pair of forceps have been my go to for removing/installing the small spring under the accelerator plunger. Remember if you have not replaced 2 small BB’s (2F) during your rebuild you have not rebuilt your carb. One more thing I typically do in a rebuild is bend the secondary engagement tab up very slightly so it tips in a little early.
Another issue I typically see when rebuilding carbs for FJ60’s is that the vacuum lines are incorrectly routed, the fuel system is dirty, or the vacuum diaphragm on distributer is bad and no longer advancing timing through vacuum.


Good luck!
 

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You've got lots of feedback, I have a 2F that passes smog easily, usually you need the AI and cat working and you'll pass.
 
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