Flywheel resurfacing? In Denver?

[jps8460]

Does "all my machine work" mean heads, blocks, etc? All of it? I have a 2F block that needs some love and depending on how far out Gunn is scheduling I was maybe going to look elsewhere. I won't be ready for several months on that project, but it's always good to have backups.

Yep 2f head, 3fe head, 2f block, a 3.4L flywheel and some other non-toyota doodads.

My flywheel grinding was $38 note cash only.

 

[Cruisertrash]

man, I wonder if the block was half price compared to Gunn too…

 

[jps8460]

man, I wonder if the block was half price compared to Gunn too…

I’d imagine he’s raised his prices a bit, I know I’d have paid a lot more….

 

[rushthezeppelin]

How much stick shift experience do you have? Toyota clutches have kind of their own feel. My wife has never liked the clutch in either of my pickups. Not the original factory nor replacements (which are OEM, just being brand new are more grabby).

She had no trouble with our Hondas and not with our old Jetta or Subaru. And she can drive a motorcycle fine. It's just a combination of long pedal travel, narrow engagement point and seat position prevents her being smooth with it. So she also doesn't drive it regularly to really develop muscle memory. She's better on the Tacoma but Toyota put in an accumulator and that damps it. I'm not a big fan of the accumulator but I'm also lazy and haven't taken it out.

But be that as it may, "chatter" is kind of a catch-all to describe a lot of things. Air in the fluid, bad or leaky piston seals, worn fingers or warped pressure plate, oil contamination (rear main leak is common), bad release or pilot bearing, cracked or hot spots on the flywheel.

Any idea how old is the clutch? It's my experience that you really don't know exactly why it chatters until you tear it apart and see it. And then it's the previous owner's fault. They surely were the one who rode the clutch to overheat and glaze it. Couldn't be you/me. No way, never.

I have a fair amount of experience with sticks in my 20s. Used to have a Honda Prelude (loved the clutch on that one) and I used to change oil for a living so got to see all sorts of clutches. Definitely don't have a rear main leak. No clue how old the clutch is, PO didn't mention any work on it but he didn't have it very long. The chatter is pretty rare and only happens if I'm not focussing on that engagement point. Think it could just be down to technique?

 

[DaveInDenver]

I have a fair amount of experience with sticks in my 20s. Used to have a Honda Prelude (loved the clutch on that one) and I used to change oil for a living so got to see all sorts of clutches. Definitely don't have a rear main leak. No clue how old the clutch is, PO didn't mention any work on it but he didn't have it very long. The chatter is pretty rare and only happens if I'm not focussing on that engagement point. Think it could just be down to technique?

Ya never know, I've been driving stick shifts for 40 years back to 70s Ford trucks, air cooled VWs and cable-actuated 80s Hondas, the FJ40 for a while to modern stuff and motocycles through today. Sometimes you just don't hit the engagement smooth or kill it from a red. Just happens.

It's only irritating when you have to stop juggling the MP3 thumbstick, Big Gulp and radio mic to restart the engine.

Honestly, I bet since I think you mentioned something about only at first it's just cold friction material on cold surfaces. It could be glazed, in fact there is likely some glazing, they all do a little. Sometimes you ride it longer than you should off road or towing or pulling a car in the snow. The pressure plate fingers and springs fatigue, bearings start to wobble.

Yeah, it's probably getting to needing a clutch, but everything falls on a scale of urgency and it doesn't sound highly urgent yet. If you try to start in 5th gear does it die immediately or slip for a second?

 

[rushthezeppelin]

Ya never know, I've been driving stick shifts for 40 years back to 70s Ford trucks, air cooled VWs and cable-actuated 80s Hondas, the FJ40 for a while to modern stuff and motocycles through today. Sometimes you just don't hit the engagement smooth or kill it from a red. Just happens.

It's only irritating when you have to stop juggling the MP3 thumbstick, Big Gulp and radio mic to restart the engine.

Honestly, I bet since I think you mentioned something about only at first it's just cold friction material on cold surfaces. It could be glazed, in fact there is likely some glazing, they all do a little. Sometimes you ride it longer than you should off road or towing or pulling a car in the snow. The pressure plate fingers and springs fatigue, bearings start to wobble.

Yeah, it's probably getting to needing a clutch, but everything falls on a scale of urgency and it doesn't sound highly urgent yet. If you try to start in 5th gear does it die immediately or slip for a second?

I've actually never tried to roll in 5th gear, 3rd accidentally on a couple of occasions and I catch it and immediately put in 1st.

 

[rushthezeppelin]

Ya never know, I've been driving stick shifts for 40 years back to 70s Ford trucks, air cooled VWs and cable-actuated 80s Hondas, the FJ40 for a while to modern stuff and motocycles through today. Sometimes you just don't hit the engagement smooth or kill it from a red. Just happens.

It's only irritating when you have to stop juggling the MP3 thumbstick, Big Gulp and radio mic to restart the engine.

Honestly, I bet since I think you mentioned something about only at first it's just cold friction material on cold surfaces. It could be glazed, in fact there is likely some glazing, they all do a little. Sometimes you ride it longer than you should off road or towing or pulling a car in the snow. The pressure plate fingers and springs fatigue, bearings start to wobble.

Yeah, it's probably getting to needing a clutch, but everything falls on a scale of urgency and it doesn't sound highly urgent yet. If you try to start in 5th gear does it die immediately or slip for a second?

Do I want throttle input when doing the fifth gear test?

 

[simps80]

Is clutch chatter where it can sometimes be a little jumpy and skip a bit when you are rolling from a stop? I have that symptom every once in a while and I wasn't sure if it's an early sign of the clutch going out or something else. As long as I'm really smooth with my clutch letoff it doesn't do it.

If it is dependent on takeoff and it’s not a new driver it’s usually an early sign of clutch friction problem or flywheel problem or t/o bearing

If it happens in low gear fully engaged…(meaning no foot in pedal and sufficient speed and rpm) then time to dig in

Like low to two or two to three it doesn’t happen then it’s not going to be a problem for a while

Only you know if it’s driver

You can feel a problem normally it goes from driver/inexperience jumpy to mechanical jumpy or uneven engagement

And then you can normally sense clutch vs t/o vs flywheel based on higher speed and higher gear

If it’s only low speed in low gear take off then less a problem then same symptoms at higher speed higher gear

Probably doesn’t make sense but I tried
I can make almost any clutch chatter in any gear and any speed depending on power
In an og Land Cruiser I can only induce at lowest gear highest torque unless there’s an actual problem and then on a healthy flywheel it’s usually not chatter just slip

 

[rushthezeppelin]

If it is dependent on takeoff and it’s not a new driver it’s usually an early sign of clutch friction problem or flywheel problem or t/o bearing

If it happens in low gear fully engaged…(meaning no foot in pedal and sufficient speed and rpm) then time to dig in

Like low to two or two to three it doesn’t happen then it’s not going to be a problem for a while

Only you know if it’s driver

You can feel a problem normally it goes from driver/inexperience jumpy to mechanical jumpy or uneven engagement

And then you can normally sense clutch vs t/o vs flywheel based on higher speed and higher gear

If it’s only low speed in low gear take off then less a problem then same symptoms at higher speed higher gear

Probably doesn’t make sense but I tried
I can make almost any clutch chatter in any gear and any speed depending on power
In an og Land Cruiser I can only induce at lowest gear highest torque unless there’s an actual problem and then on a healthy flywheel it’s usually not chatter just slip

Good to know, it only happens at takeoff and only rarely if I'm a bit lazy on the clutch. I actually notice in third if I'm not rev matching a bit it grabs kind of hard. Sounds like digging into the clutch is still a ways of. Also don't notice any noises that could be related to pilot or throwout bearings.

 

[DaveInDenver]

I've actually never tried to roll in 5th gear, 3rd accidentally on a couple of occasions and I catch it and immediately put in 1st.

This is an older timer "test" so to speak.

It goes that you let the clutch out stopped with the parking brake engaged. Don't rev the engine, don't dump it super fast or try to modulate or ride the clutch to actually get moving but just release it smoothly like normal with the engine idling.

If the clutch is good it should grab quick and kill the engine instantly. If the clutch can spin even a few degrees through it's not working right.

Now I'll say that it's been years since I did this. It seems like a valid test insofar as it goes. A good clutch will stall and a bad one will slip. But I'm pretty sure it was originally devised by a mechanic drumming up business...