FJ60 Clutch Slave and Master

[DaveInDenver]

Rear main seal was not leaking. The back of the oil pan was a little damp but I decided to leave it alone. To do it properly I would need to drop the oil pan and reseal it, which I was not prepared to do.

Rear main was done by the factory. I bought a new short block directly from Toyota. The oil pan on 22R is sealed with RTV so my (limited) experience is they either leak immediately or they don't forever. I probably over greased things when I stabbed the transmission and that could have certainly contaminated the friction material. But that was 2007 when the truck had 145k on the odometer (I don't know 100% but I'm pretty sure neither Martin or Steve did a clutch after 2015). So it would seem hard to temporally link that directly to a failure now. It never seemed to excessively slip or grab to me, anyway. Slipping the clutch on trails puts a lot of heat into it. Did you see pretty color streaks in the steel of the flywheel or pressure plate? It's also possible it was just time. The friction material was thin and prone to disintegration, maybe?

 

[Johnny Utah]

Rear main was done by the factory. I bought a new short block directly from Toyota. The oil pan on 22R is sealed with RTV so my (limited) experience is they either leak immediately or they don't forever. I probably over greased things when I stabbed the transmission and that could have certainly contaminated the friction material. But that was 2007 when the truck had 145k on the odometer (I don't know 100% but I'm pretty sure neither Martin or Steve did a clutch after 2015). So it would seem hard to temporally link that directly to a failure now. It never seemed to excessively slip or grab to me, anyway. Slipping the clutch on trails puts a lot of heat into it. Did you see pretty color streaks in the steel of the flywheel or pressure plate? It's also possible it was just time. The friction material was thin and prone to disintegration, maybe?

Thanks Dave. It seems like maybe it was time... I too was wondering if because the truck was driven off road, it put more stress and wear on the clutch (slipping and what not).
Your post has created some questions for me though…
What was the reason for the new short block?
Is the odometer representative of the engine miles or overall truck miles?

I went through the records (skimmed) and didn’t see the engine replacement, but I will look again.
Lots of good information in the records so thanks to all of the previous owners that kept them.

 

[DaveInDenver]

Thanks Dave. It seems like maybe it was time... I too was wondering if because the truck was driven off road, it put more stress and wear on the clutch (slipping and what not).
Your post has created some questions for me though…
What was the reason for the new short block?
Is the odometer representative of the engine miles or overall truck miles?

I went through the records (skimmed) and didn’t see the engine replacement, but I will look again.
Lots of good information in the records so thanks to all of the previous owners that kept them.

Just tried to search, I thought there was a thread on this.

The rough history.

• I bought with ~100K from the original owner in 2001.
• I put metal backed guides in ~125K, I think late in 2003.
• Timing chain blew open in 2007 at ~145K. The tension side guide snapped and jammed in the crank gear.
• When I pulled off the head there was indication of valve-piston loss of separation, so it definitely needed valves but I didn't want to do 1/2 the job and find out I had a cracked rod or piston. So I had to decide on how to deal with the bottom end.
• Flush with money so more dollars and sense... I ended up putting a brand new Engnbldr head (Topline casting, oversized valves, 231C cam) on top of a brand new (literally zero miles, from Japan, in a box) factory short block, headgasket, timing gears, chain, tensioner, head bolts, water pump, oil pump, clutch, release bearing (everything Toyota came from Jerry at Burt Toyota).
• The rocker assembly was all new parts from L.C. Engineering.
• If I remember right it got a new Performance Radiator. It was a brass one but not Toyota. I reused all the emissions crap. I had the intake plenum hot tanked to clean it out. Witchdoctor cleaned the injectors.
• I think I got an overbored throttle body to match the head. You can tell if the throat is smooth all the way through and no step.
• From there I drove it until 2015, sold it to @MDH33, who sold it to @rckhound in 2021, who sold it to @KC Masterpiece also in 2021.

To answer your question on mileage. The odometer is correct on the chassis and body. Cluster is original to the truck.
Mileage on engine is odometer minus roughly 145K. I'd expect the bottom end has a lot more miles in it.

I personally did all the work, so blame is on me. I like to think I learned how to drive a stick offroad correctly. I was taught by the old guard of Rising Sun who broke any inclination to ride the clutch. I know how to use the clutch start defeat button. Start and stall in gear. Always.

 

[rckhound]

I didnt do a clutch while I owned it. Several I70 trips and several 4x4 low gear trips up summit county mountains and my wife drive it over bail pass to works quite a bit. She thought it was too slow so had to go. Boo.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Thanks Dave! This really helps draw me a picture of the truck’s life. Imelda starts, runs, drives really good. She’s got some little things that I want to fix up but it’s in good condition. Right now she’s at 300,845 miles, so that puts the top end around 155k.

I had my 14 year old in it today learning to drive a manual transmission. My dad came over and said he’d like it when Adam is ready for something else so it’ll be in the family for a while.

 

[KC Masterpiece]

Great truck to learn manual on. Glad she fired right back up and drove!

FYI forgot to tell you that the unplugged relay on the passenger side of the engine bay is for the AC. I pulled it so I would not turn it on by mistake with the compressor clutch seized.

He will just have to get used to the tight turns with the locker. When I taught Amber in it she always thought she was doing something wrong when it bucked.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Yeah. Today we were practicing in 2wd low range (that’s how my dad taught me). Next time we’ll move to 2wd high range. Still need to watch the tight turns.

 

[DaveInDenver]

Right now she’s at 300,845 miles, so that puts the top end around 155k.

The only thing I'd watch is the HG itself, you're in the time where 22R likes to throw a shoe in that race.

 

[MDH33]

The only thing I'd watch is the HG itself, you're in the time where 22R likes to throw a shoe in that race.

Has a rebuilt head and new head gasket. Those were done on my watch.

 

[DaveInDenver]

Has a rebuilt head and new head gasket. Those were done on my watch.

 

[Cruisertrash]

Thanks Dave! This really helps draw me a picture of the truck’s life. Imelda starts, runs, drives really good. She’s got some little things that I want to fix up but it’s in good condition. Right now she’s at 300,845 miles, so that puts the top end around 155k.

I had my 14 year old in it today learning to drive a manual transmission. My dad came over and said he’d like it when Adam is ready for something else so it’ll be in the family for a while.

Funny, I had my 16 year old son behind the wheel of my 60 yesterday for the first time. He's driven his mom's modern vehicle with an automatic transmission around a parking lot a few times, but doesn't have much of a desire to get a driver's license. I also had him starting in 2 Low (my 60 is modified for that), just easing out the clutch. He was steering back and forth a bit and said "dad, this thing steers like a boat!" Later he said "pushing the clutch pedal is maybe the hardest thing I've ever done with my left leg." Yes son, this is a tractor.

Anyway, the 60 is still in one piece! Carry on...

 

[fyffer]

Funny, I had my 16 year old son behind the wheel of my 60 yesterday for the first time. He's driven his mom's modern vehicle with an automatic transmission around a parking lot a few times, but doesn't have much of a desire to get a driver's license. I also had him starting in 2 Low (my 60 is modified for that), just easing out the clutch. He was steering back and forth a bit and said "dad, this thing steers like a boat!" Later he said "pushing the clutch pedal is maybe the hardest thing I've ever done with my left leg." Yes son, this is a tractor.

Anyway, the 60 is still in one piece! Carry on...

Wished you had front lockers you could have thrown in to that.

 

[MDH33]

Funny, I had my 16 year old son behind the wheel of my 60 yesterday for the first time. He's driven his mom's modern vehicle with an automatic transmission around a parking lot a few times, but doesn't have much of a desire to get a driver's license. I also had him starting in 2 Low (my 60 is modified for that), just easing out the clutch. He was steering back and forth a bit and said "dad, this thing steers like a boat!" Later he said "pushing the clutch pedal is maybe the hardest thing I've ever done with my left leg." Yes son, this is a tractor.

Anyway, the 60 is still in one piece! Carry on...

My 14 yo daughter has been learning to drive using my 60 as well. Might become hers, she thinks it's cool. Always wish I had just kept Imelda to pass down to her.