Chlorinated brake cleaner ban

[DaveInDenver]

They recommend using vegetable oil to thin Fluid Film. They recommend against pump type sprayers so I'm not sure how a Maddox fits in. Perhaps mineral oil would work, paint thinner I think would separate the fats & oils in Fluid Film.

Spraying - Fluid Film

The most effective way to apply FLUID FILM as a spray is by using standard airless paint spraying equipment, at a pressure of approximately 2000 PSI.

www.fluid-film.com

FAQ - Fluid Film

We frequently receive questions from customers about the many applications for Fluid Film. Here are just a few of the most common.

www.fluid-film.com

Those guns you use with the bulk stuff are actually undercoat sprayers with a large orifice, more like spitting a stream of globs of the stuff than an aerosol.

 

[Inukshuk]

Blow a trans cooler line.

 

[allen.wrench]

They recommend using vegetable oil to thin Fluid Film.

I did not know that. Sounds great! If peanut oil works, then I'll use left over oil from making french fries. It'll at least help improve the lanolin smell of FF

I also appreciate their website specifically uses the term thixotropic. FF does get thicker when it sits and has no shear forces acting on it. Though my understanding of thixotropic fluids makes me think shear forces have to be continually applied for the fluid to maintain the lower end of its viscosity. Still I'll give mixing it a shot.

The refillable type sprayers I'm thinking about, like the Maddox, are pressurized to (let's say 90 psi), what I expect is much higher than a "pump sprayer" could achieve. I suspect pump sprayer's low operating pressures are why FF recommends against them. Just too thicc for the low pressures to overcome viscous losses especially through the small orifices most pump sprayers have.

So maybe by thinning the FF with veggie oil, shaking it, and/or using an undercoating nozzle tip a refillable sprayer could be made functional.

I don't need nor want a perfect aerosolized delivery method. I'd just like something more convenient & affordable than the compressor hose nightmare and the store reliant 11 oz cans.

Allen

 

[DaveInDenver]

Blow a trans cooler line.

Wow, that's a serious bummer. It's like Long Cruiser doesn't like being a Chevota.

Blowing a CV axle boot does a good job of undercoating, too.

 

[LARGEONE]

I use a product call "cavity coater" from KBS Coatings for inside the frame that comes in a can with a long tip. I think it is like fluid film.

https://www.amazon.com/KBS-Coatings-75101-Cavity-Fluid_Ounces/dp/B00TVH7R5O/ref=asc_df_B00TVH7R5O?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80676783832563&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584276309168774&th=1

 

[nuclearlemon]

They recommend using vegetable oil to thin Fluid Film.

i would be afraid that mice might try chewing on my coating...hopefully it would kill them, but they love our veggie plastic coated wiring

 

[DaveInDenver]

i would be afraid that mice might try chewing on my coating...hopefully it would kill them, but they love our veggie plastic coated wiring

Peanut oil had got to be attractive to mice. Fluid Film is lanolin so I bet it's already attractive to animals. Never really thought about it but do your tires happen to smell like wolf pee?

 

[rover67]

I was thinking bears when you head to alaska. Smelling like french fries and burgers are what killed the cook behind the Glacier Inn.

 

[allen.wrench]

I was thinking bears when you head to alaska. Smelling like french fries and burgers are what killed the cook behind the Glacier Inn.

That's a good point. What do bears think of those strobe light rodent deterrents?

Secondly. Do you know how much polar bears weigh?

Allen

 

[DaveInDenver]

@allen.wrench - not that 16 ounces is sufficient for your project but noticed Safeway has 99% IPA for $2 or so. Only alcohol, no other ingredients active or inactive listed. This is a much more manageable size for cleaning electronics, though.

 

[KC Masterpiece]

I smoked my last can of the good stuff this past weekend. My brain was broken but my project was clean.

 

[Rzeppa]

@allen.wrench - not that 16 ounces is sufficient for your project but noticed Safeway has 99% IPA for $2 or so. Only alcohol, no other ingredients active or inactive listed. This is a much more manageable size for cleaning electronics, though.

I might have to pick some of that up while it's still available. Usually 91% is the highest concentration you can get outside of a chemical supply/lab supply place. When working with really high concentrations like that up to reagent grade, it become quite hygroscopic and doesn't stay that high for long as it adsorbs atmospheric moisture.

 

[DaveInDenver]

I might have to pick some of that up while it's still available. Usually 91% is the highest concentration you can get outside of a chemical supply/lab supply place. When working with really high concentrations like that up to reagent grade, it become quite hygroscopic and doesn't stay that high for long as it adsorbs atmospheric moisture.

Indeed, the one I go to had two on the shelf and now have zero. True statement about absorbing water, I use a little squirt bottle on the bench and keep the mother bottle capped and bagged in a Ziploc freezer with a couple of desiccant pouches. I sometimes get ambitious when I re-fill the working bottle and vacuum bag but I figure the original bottle (notably with a seal) didn't allow evaporation or water absorption so I'm just adjusting for what *might* make it in/out under the cap, which I doubt is much.

 

[dan1554]

Now that its all non-chlor, I use so much more than I used to. Got sick of how many cans I was going through and how expensive it was. We'll see how this works for $140. I don't think it will take long at all to get a return on investment, esp. with the prices for aerosol cans at the local parts place.

 

[DaveInDenver]

Now that its all non-chlor, I use so much more than I used to. Got sick of how many cans I was going through and how expensive it was. We'll see how this works for $140. I don't think it will take long at all to get a return on investment, esp. with the prices for aerosol cans at the local parts place.

Just thinking out loud, but what is the limit for flammable liquid storage for you? A FD friend once told me that 25 gallons is the threshold they want to see it put into a proper cabinet, although they'd never know unless you had a fire since a residence is not subject to OSHA/NFPA/FD inspections like a business might be. But I respect this with my combination of full jerry cans, kerosene and chemicals. I figure if the fire inspector has to dig through the rubble of my house or garage and finds I exceed this it gives the insurance company an out that they'd love to find.

 

[dan1554]

Heres what the AI says, take accuracy with a grain of salt:

The 120-gallon maximum allowable quantity (MAQ) for Class IB and IC flammable liquids combined applies to both flammable brake cleaners and highly flammable alcohols, as they are typically classified as Class IB flammable liquids under the 2021 International Fire Code. This limit is based on Table 5003.1.1(1) for control areas without sprinklers or special cabinets, which includes detached residential workshops in unincorporated Chaffee County, CO.

Can't imagine passing 25 gal at any time (in-tank fuel excluded), much less 120. A cabinet would be ideal.

Side note- another manufacturer flat out refused to ship to the state as a whole due to front-range/8 hr corridor restrictions.