Anchoring a Carport???

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@Corbet The carport is rated for the amount of snow we get which is actually way less than you would think being where it is. We have the most snow we have had this year since I have owned it and its about 2 feet where it has collected around trees. In the other areas it might be a foot out in the open. Because of the winds, the snow does not stay around long on structures. There is never snow on top of the RV.

I do believe the winds will be my biggest problem.
 

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The specs say 100 mph wind and over 10,000 pounds on roof (not sure I believe that!).

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I would be worried most about uplift and snow load.

That spec section doesn't really instill confidence, snow load is usually rated as PSF. Which according to my calcs comes out to about 47lbs PSF.
The structural engineers of Colorado have Buena Vista's snow load design at 35 PSF, but this may need to be adjusted for elevation.



This video gives a pretty good high-level description of uplift and the design requirements surrounding it.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmUvHTk5vDU&t=463s


By using this wind rose you should be able to site the building to allow it to move through it and understand how it can change directionally by season.

The location its generating from is the BV airport, so a little lower in elevation than you.

This is a great learning experience to help you understand siting and will prove itself to be valuable when you are ready to site the house and figure out building orientation.
 

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Thank you Hans! I definitely think the uplift is what I’m most concerned about. If the snow crushes it, the tractor ROPS and loader likely will be ok. But if this thing takes off into the wind, who knows where it ends up?

I have found some of my 5 gallon buckets 1/4 mile down the hill :)
 

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Excellent. More great ideas. @DaveInDenver thanks for the time on the calcs. This one is super touch to calculate because of the shape of the roof and it also depends on how the roof is oriented. I spoke to my neighbor who has a smaller, flimsier sunshade than mine, and he said he only anchored it with the drive stakes and little cables that came with his. That said, his is oriented uphill so doesn't capture much side wind from the west. Since mine does not have sides on it, it will also not capture as much side wind, but definitely more than his. I wanted to have sides to block more sun, but if I do sides I will only have them come down from the roof about 3 feet so that I don't add even more side wind load.

I'm thinking I like Martin's idea of heavy concrete anchors in the corners, and then use a couple shorter spiral anchors along the side to keep it from wanting to deform. That seems like the best of both worlds.

I had a problem a few years back with my solar panels taking off. I had welded a super heavy frame to hold the panels and thought the weight would be enough. NOPE! I came back last year and my panels had flipped over and flew about 15 feet away.

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So, I made these stakes out of 36" concrete stakes, cut and welded. They have held the panels down so far.

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The previous year, I put up one of those 10x20 covered carports from COSTCO. It ended up flying 30 feet into my RV and breaking one of the windows. The wind during the winter at the base of a 14,000 ft peak is legit!!! And we also get those straightline winds that are hurricane force plus.

Edit: The canvas shade I actually anchored each post with 1/8" cable pulls that I made...which might have made things worse because there was no stretch. So, it ripped stakes out and also ripped the canvas because it put the weak link where it shouldn't have been. The stretch of string wouldn't have saved things, but the cable broke things where they shouldn't have.

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Umph.....That's the mountain struggle.

How is your 5th wheeler anchored? I've seen those on their side when they start bouncing on their suspension in synch with the winds.

My Neighbor has had her chicken coop blown over twice in the last month or so. She doesn't like suggestions......
going for the trifecta!

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She doesn't like suggestions......
going for the trifecta!
Haha!!!

It is CRAZY in my RV when the winds get up to their max!!! I mean...no sleep CRAZY! I have the trailer leveled and then I used six of the leveler-type supports up to the frame to take most of the weight off of the tires. These six are in ADDITION TO the four levelers on the RV. So, it doesn't move around a lot with normal walking in the trailer. But you can definitely feel the wind hitting it when it is ripping.

This was before I installed all of the supports.

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The worst was when the wind knocked over my bucket rat trap! It was disgusting.

Every time I'm up there with the wind, I think of the miners that worked on the mine just a short hike up the hill. The Latchaw Mine was one of the last Gold Mines to be started (I think) and didn't stay open very long. It is up the road that my property is on...if you keep going up and then hike above tree line you can see the remnants of it. But just above my property, you can see what is left of the "processing" structures which were well below the main mine. I still find metal food cans in random places on my property. And I love checking out the old, hand-made nails that held together their wood structures.
 

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just weld some bars across the base that are the same width as the tractor wheelbase and park on them. If it takes the tractor away you have bigger problems. :) follow me for more structural engineering solutions in the mtns. oh and now only one side of the tractor will be pink....
 

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just weld some bars across the base that are the same width as the tractor wheelbase and park on them. If it takes the tractor away you have bigger problems. :) follow me for more structural engineering solutions in the mtns. oh and now only one side of the tractor will be pink....
Already thought of that one!
 

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So, I made these stakes out of 36" concrete stakes, cut and welded. They have held the panels down so far.
I used recovery gear and spare tires to keep my kids' play structure down until I found out about form stakes, and those seem to work great. I think they get sandwiched in between all the rock out here and stay put. Had to twist one out with pliers and I don't think they're going anywhere.
 

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The form stakes took some real pounding to get them 2+ feet into the ground, so I would imagine it would take some force to get them out.
 

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Chaffee County has amendments for snow load. Depends on elevation but it varies from a low of 40 psf in zone C (eastern part of the county) at 7000' to as high as 182 psf for zone A (western edge along Gunnison) at >11500'.

That 35 psf is an absolute minimum but if you follow the amendment there's nowhere in the county where it should apply, so they shouldn't approve a permit. Now if you're doing a non-permitted exempt structure, like a <200 sq-ft storage shelter (say, I dunno, a car port) then it's on you to adhere even though no one's going to inspect it. They do not exempt any structure from technically following building codes, zoning or setbacks even if they're not approved or inspected.

They also have them for wind (115 MPH), frost depth, temp (-10°F) and put a seismic categorization of C on buildings.

https://www.chaffeecounty.org/Building-Dept-Adopted-Codes-and-Design-Criteria

BTW, that brings up an observation. Since Paul's shelter is 12x24 it's over the exempt criteria at a footprint of 288 sq-ft. The amendments specifically call out carports for the improved foundation. Might cross the line from temporary to permanent depending on how long you leave it standing and what improvements you do, e.g. driving a peg stake vs driving a structural auger vs an excavation and pouring concrete. The major out is an agricultural implement shed only needs a site plan submitted, no building permits. I'm not an expert in Chaffee to know if an agricultural exemption is only valid if you're zoned for that or not. Everyone would call their "barn" an agricultural building otherwise and just having a tractor does not make you a farmer.

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Already thought of that one!
Umph.......if it's a small, narrow tractor like my B series kubota I wouldn't trust it with our winds here in Nederland. Not sure about your specific area. Here on Hurricane mountain I could see just the right wind toppling the tractor. Now, if it's like a L or M series I think you'd be good.
 

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Everyone would call their "barn" an agricultural building otherwise and just having a tractor does not make you a farmer.
And, in Boulder County, I can attest that a "rental donkey" from your neighbor also doesn't qualify your new shop as a agro building.

Just saying.....
 

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Haha! Tractor is pretty big...weighs well over 7K with the loader and box blade that is usually on it for ballast. Mahindra 4540 old school shift tractor.

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Haha! Tractor is pretty big...weighs well over 7K with the loader and box blade that is usually on it for ballast. Mahindra 4540 old school shift tractor.

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Yeah.....He's a big boy and Mahindra makes great tractors! Looks like a "L" series in Kubota. I went with a B26 TLB Commercial since I needed it to fit between the trees on the property and have a backhoe but, if I was land clearing like you I could see getting a larger tractor!

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Sometimes wish I had a backhoe that’s for sure. I’m not sure about some of the other Mahindra tractor models, but the 4540 and 4550 are like old school Ford tractors. Simple…no synchros. No hydro trans. Like an old 40 series!!! :)
 

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Sometimes wish I had a backhoe that’s for sure. I’m not sure about some of the other Mahindra tractor models, but the 4540 and 4550 are like old school Ford tractors. Simple…no synchros. No hydro trans. Like an old 40 series!!! :)
Yeah, the BH is super useful. It cleared the land for the shop which required digging into granite, clearing drainage, cleared the lower property and shooting range. I'm currently cutting a walking path around our property but, that's a multi-year project as I get to it. Best money we ever spent considering the cost of hiring a contractor to do the same
work.



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