2009 Wheel Bearing Packing Party (WBPP)

[RicardoJM]

Maintenance Parts Information

For those participating in the WBPP, I appreciate you getting me the details on the maintenance you will be doing. If you would also let me know what you would like to do for parts; purchase yourself or get in on a group purchase - I'll add that to the information on the first post.

For those that would like to get in on a group purchase I will coordinate the purchase details and work with each of you directly via PM and phone as we get closer to the event.

For those that are going to purchase parts on your own and are members of Rising Sun, don't forget to exercise your Rising Sun discount at our local supporting Toyota dealerships. If you are not a Rising Sun member, but in the TLCA keep in mind many of the local dealerships offer a discount to TCLA members. Even if you are a member of Rising Sun and TLCA ( we all should be) we have several other local businesses that support us that can be used for your parts purchase - including our host .

Wherever you purchase, don't forget this is an excellent opportunity strengthen Rising Sun's relationship with the business's that support us.

 

[timmbuck2]

My goal is to get my 40 running before the party, so if we are heavy on mentors and light on work that needs to be done, I will bring the 40...


T

 

[RockRunner]

I may want to do my front end too if I haven't done it by then yet.

 

[Rzeppa]

My goal is to get my 40 running before the party, so if we are heavy on mentors and light on work that needs to be done, I will bring the 40...


T

Dunno if I'm considered a mentor, but I'll help you with that. The WBPP is about my favorite event after Cruise Moab.

 

[timmbuck2]

Dunno if I'm considered a mentor, but I'll help you with that. The WBPP is about my favorite event after Cruise Moab.

well, the 2f is dropped and I put the truck back together. think I might pull off all the smog stuff this weekend. anyone know where to get the plugs for the air rail?

I had a blast at the WBPP last year, huge thanks to Zepp and Crash. They taught me so well I was able to do it again with no troubles 6 months later when my knuckle studs fell out.

T

 

[Rzeppa]

Funny you mention Crash and I in the same post as learning at the RS WBPP. Steve and I were both total newbies to front axle servicing at the 2000 WBPP. We had mentors who showed us the ropes at that event, and now we're teaching others what we learned from our elders. Pretty cool.

 

[timmbuck2]

Ricardo and I were newbies last year, too....

 

[RicardoJM]

I may want to do my front end too if I haven't done it by then yet.

I've added you to the list.

 

[bigbluefj]

Dunno if I'm considered a mentor, but I'll help you with that. The WBPP is about my favorite event after Cruise Moab.

Well if you need it done during Moab come see me and i can help as it seem's i do a few of them while i'm there..

 

[rover67]

I'll be there to hang out and help. Don't really know if i'll have anything to do on my truck really. Myabe by that time i'll be setting up the HAM...

 

[barCruiser]

New to the area, and looking to join the club, will come to the next meeting for sure. I need to rebuild the rear diff lock actuator (if I don't do it before April). Definitely don't need a lift for this, but it would be cool to come by and check out some rigs.

 

[Colorado80]

I don't need anything done that I can think of currently, but I would be more than happy to be an assistant to the assistant of the assistant. So basically I will be good for grabbing beer or the wrong size wrench.

 

[Hulk]

New to the area, and looking to join the club, will come to the next meeting for sure. I need to rebuild the rear diff lock actuator (if I don't do it before April). Definitely don't need a lift for this, but it would be cool to come by and check out some rigs.

You're welcome to wrench on your rig at the WBPP -- there is plenty of space for vehicles that don't need to be on a lift.

 

[LARGEONE]

Can someone tell me what parts I would need to order (or have ordered w/ the group) in order to service the front axle of my 80? The PO said it was serviced "not too long ago", but I don't believe he had any idea of what was done to it or exactly how long ago!!! Any suggestions on what I should do to it at the packing party aside from tearing the whole thing apart. I've never gone past the outer hub on my 40 and haven't touched the 80 since buying it in September '08.

thanks!

 

[MDH33]

Can someone tell me what parts I would need to order (or have ordered w/ the group) in order to service the front axle of my 80? The PO said it was serviced "not too long ago", but I don't believe he had any idea of what was done to it or exactly how long ago!!! Any suggestions on what I should do to it at the packing party aside from tearing the whole thing apart. I've never gone past the outer hub on my 40 and haven't touched the 80 since buying it in September '08.

thanks!

Christo's earlier post:

Just to be clear, doing a full 80 front axle service correctly is the better part of 8 hours or more for one that is not experienced and having pizza and beer in between. That is if you don't screw up or run into issues. That is a not within the scope of what this is all about. The reason is I don't want to tie the lifts up for this kind of thing. Sorry, if I sound like the lit police, but I want to be fair to everyone.

 

[RicardoJM]

Can someone tell me what parts I would need to order (or have ordered w/ the group) in order to service the front axle of my 80?

I'll answer Paul's question below, but the post is an excellent opportunity to share a bit of information about the WBPP time contraint paramters - so bear with me on this long post...

Front axle service is one of those terms that has a wide range of potential interpretation. In a full front end service the trunion bearings and wheel bearings are taken out of the truck, replaced, packed with grease and then re-installed including the replacement of bearing races and often a SST is employed to confirm the knuckle cap shims. Along the way to getting all the bearing and races out, you remove gaskets, inner axle seal, birfields and axle, calipers/rotors (drums/shoes), backing plates, outer axle plates (may have the wrong term there), knuckle caps, seperate the birfield from the axle, take the cage/balls out of the birfield, take apart the locking hubs, etc. - and clean and inspect all those items as well as replacing the gaskets, seals and putting in fresh grease all around. When I did this on my 40 I also replaced all 16 knuckle studs. The full front axle service would take more time than what we have at the WBPP.

The number of things that have to be removed, cleaned as well as issues that can crop up during inspection in a full axle service is what make it take too long for the WBPP. For example, during the locker swap work a couple of weeks ago it became clear that MtnTrucker really would benefit from the full service. For an experienced wrench they typically plan on a full day and in some cases two days to get the work done. This past weekend Nuclearlemon and MtnTrucker started the full service on his 40 - these two are the experienced wrenches that could get the full service done in less than a day. In the course of their inspection they found a brass bushing that was in poor shape and needed to be replaced - of course the bushing had to be ordered. As a result MtnTrucker's 40 is sitting on jackstands while the part in enroute.

That said, the amount of time (and variables that could leave a rig on the jack stands waiting for parts) is much less when the objective of the service is limitted to getting the wheel bearings out, cleaned, repacked with grease and replacing the inner axle seal - and this is what is typically done at the WBPP for a front end service.

While not the full front axle service, this is a great maintenance activity that benefits your rig by servicing parts that need it and giving you (aided by a mentor) the opportunity to inspect the other parts for indications of problems. If the inspection does identify issues that need to be addressed, the experience prepares you to deal with them - whether you do the work yourself or take it to a professional - you will know what is going on.

Regarding gaskets and seals to do the typical WBPP front end service for an 80, I will pm a couple of the 80 gurus to get a detail list of the part numbers. I am planning to coordinate a group buy (a little closer to the event) and those doing maintenance will get a flurry of PM/phone calls from me as I work through that process. Ideally, I can also post the information up on the forum so it will be available in the future for people that have the same question.

 

[LARGEONE]

Thank you to all for clarifying the difference b/w a full front service and the bearing packing. I'm glad I asked the question...because I really don't know the difference. I'm really looking forward to this event in order to better understand what is involved. I'd still like to learn to do the PM bearing packing at this event.

Paul

 

[Romer]

Thank you to all for clarifying the difference b/w a full front service and the bearing packing. I'm glad I asked the question...because I really don't know the difference. I'm really looking forward to this event in order to better understand what is involved. I'd still like to learn to do the PM bearing packing at this event.

Paul

Here is a write-up on how to do the whole front axle service on an 80. The 40 and 60 are very similar. The 100 and FJ Cruiser are IFS so this does not apply.

http://forum.ih8mud.com/80-series-tech/78276-front-axle-rebuild-faq.html

It should be noted you can get the front axle parts from any Toyota Dealer. I would make sure you let them know you are a Rising Sun Member so you get the discount

 

[nakman]

If someone were to want to change wheel bearings, Christo would your press be available? And do you have a set of special pusher tools for all the races?

 

[sleeoffroad]

Should not need press for wheel bearings. But we have one available to be used under supervision.