Who owns your car?

[bassguyry]

anti-speculation mechanisms, whether private or governmental, have been effective forces for allowing regular people to buy regular things and not be forced out by speculators for a long time in many ways in many societies. Speculators drive up prices and frequently fail to follow-though on purchases when market conditions change. Then markets crash.
When there is a natural disaster most people are against price gouging. The Ford policy is simply a different flavor of market regulation/stabilization. Some people like HOA's, other don't. But go try to buy a house that is not subject to regulatory forces and you *might* get away with a shack in the desert. Even then only until they find you.

This. 100% this.

@gungriffin makes an excellent point - this isn't really Ford telling you what you can or can't do with your money. You absolutely have the option/right/freedom to spend your money on a vehicle that doesn't have any resale restrictions in place. Don't like the contract terms? Great, don't buy a vehicle subject to them.

 

[DouglasVB]

This kinda reminds me of deed restrictions and HOA covenants.

 

[3rdGen4R]

This. 100% this.

@gungriffin makes an excellent point - this isn't really Ford telling you what you can or can't do with your money. You absolutely have the option/right/freedom to spend your money on a vehicle that doesn't have any resale restrictions in place. Don't like the contract terms? Great, don't buy a vehicle subject to them.

This is true. But part of what needs to happen with different things like this is consumers complaining about it out loud. Saying we want the ability to buy parts, sell and buy, and have the same rights others have in the market. Ford can do this, but we can also say it's infringing on ownership and not buy these products. We can do two things at once...

 

[Romer]

meh- seems a lot to do about nothing to me. There is a reason they do it to keep folks from flipping as its in high demand and if you dont want the constraint, don't buy the car.

I know you feel strongly the other way Phillip and I support your right to feel that way

 

[Cruisertrash]

@Inukshuk

cough *tulips* cough

 

[bassguyry]

This is true. But part of what needs to happen with different things like this is consumers complaining about it out loud. Saying we want the ability to buy parts, sell and buy, and have the same rights others have in the market. Ford can do this, but we can also say it's infringing on ownership and not buy these products. We can do two things at once...

I think our difference of opinion comes down to this: I don't think having consumers complain about the resale restriction will actually have any effect. At the end of the day, I believe vehicle sales and ultimately, net profit will dictate whether or not Ford continues to restrict resales of these vehicles. Thus, if the majority of people think the resale restriction is "infringing on ownership", they won't buy the vehicles subject to the restriction, which would force Ford to rethink the whole thing.

 

[3rdGen4R]

meh- seems a lot to do about nothing to me. There is a reason they do it to keep folks from flipping as its in high demand and if you dont want the constraint, don't buy the car.

I know you feel strongly the other way Phillip and I support your right to feel that way

Well there is always a reason for what they do. I wonder if you would change your tune if you were a farmer dealing with John Deer. Things effect people in different ways, there are always trade offs. I get that. I appreciate that Ken.

 

[simps80]

Sometimes I wonder why I drive old junk

Then I read these types of threads and am glad that my “new” car is a Camry from Stevenson I bought off the lot in 2013
My next newest will be collectors plate eligible this year and my other two are 51 and over 46

Actually that reminds me unrelated but makes me laugh…

That 2013 I bought off the lot in under an hour on the first Wednesday of the month so I could get it back to my wife and still make the RS meeting cause she totaled the minivan the day before…LOL
Zero percent financing for 5 years zero down only new car I have ever bought

It’s still running original brakes!!!

tires and oil changes only..cheaper than the 2004 Sienna it replaced which was unreal cheap to own except front brakes and front tires

Only “expensive” thing we have done in 8 years I had to pay for is an hvac system computer reset at Boulder Toyota!

Shame those days are gone
Gonna ride this old junk till I can’t drive anymore

 

[Romer]

Well there is always a reason for what they do. I wonder if you would change your tune if you were a farmer dealing with John Deer. Things effect people in different ways, there are always trade offs. I get that. I appreciate that Ken.

No doubt I would have a different perspective. I switched to Android because I don't like Apples closed system. Other people think thats great. The brakes on my BMW Z4 have to be done at a dealer or a BMW repair shop because the rotors etc have to be calibrated with the computer. I knew that going in and made the choice to buy it. I just ordered a larger Garden Tractor to replace my Lawn Tracter, not quite a Farmer tractor. In my trade I came down to Cub Cadet or John Deere, I went with the Cub Cadet and the issue you were talking about was part of my choice, although not the biggest driver.

It is all about choice and its important to understand the limitations going in before you make a choice. If I bought a John Deere and afterwards found out I would be pissed. If I bought it understanding yet still made the choice then that is another matter.

One of the reasons I build my own computers when its time for an upgrade is so I can work on them if needed and make sure it meets my needs. Otherwise may be forced to use professional services

I bought a house with an HOA that has no control over what I do. Whereas Sarah bought a house in Highlands Ranch were they dictate the paint you can use and gave her a ticket when her grass was a little brown or a little long. Both informed choices going in, but the Highlands Ranch HOA is still something that pisses us off. I wont ever live there because of the HOA or live in a community with that strong an HOA. Others are fine with it

All this is based on my perspective which forms my reality. Everyones perspective is different and if I was a farmer dealing with John Deere like you said, I would not be happy . . . but I may trade in that John Deere in on a Kubata Tractor as a choice

 

[BlueSteel]

I think it’s more about accepting the new status quo or not. If Ford didn’t set their market price correct that’s on them. I could understand it it’s like a Ferrari, but it’s a f-150 c’mon. They are trying to build some club or brand loyalty, and it’s a weird way to do it. I’d never buy an everyday car with a no-sale stipulation. I drive old cars, I will never have to deal with this, unless I end up needing a brand new car with a warranty for some unforeseen reason.

 

[3rdGen4R]

Right to Repair: A Consumer Movement That Left and Right Should Agree On | National Review

When you buy a product, you should be able to expect that you’re its sole owner.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[PhillyB77]

I have the title to my Tundra. The 4R I just bought, USAA has the title to it...but only for a few more months. Bastids.

Car payments are gross.

Lastly, Ford / Chevy...absolute trash vehicles. I mean trash. I have a fleet of over 30 vehicles and I can go on and on about Ford and Chevy repair costs or life expectancy vs Toyota.

 

[OilHammer]

So many supply and demand things like this:
Porsche 918 spyder wasn’t even available to purchase by most buyers, let alone sell. Same with top end Ferraris. You violate the rules and they’ll ban you from buying another new one.
Or how about the hydrogen fuel cell Toyota in California- lease only.
Costco laptops-limit 2. (This is to keep you from reselling and to ensure others can buy)
Concert tickets you can’t resell on your own.
Bottom line, Ford can do this and will. No doubt the $130k broncos were an eye opener. How else do you fix the issue until you can make enough?

And I drive old cars they can’t turn off from the satellite but they can just as easily deny emissions, restrict mileage, levy higher taxes, or jack my insurance rates. Oh wait, they did.

 

[Carbon14]

I would bet that someone already has a workaround for the disabling feature. Not that I ever would buy a Ford, but if they tried something like this I would be all about working around this limit, and I am pretty damn good at it. Funny how big business can take whatever measures it likes to protect their profit.

 

[3rdGen4R]

I would bet that someone already has a workaround for the disabling feature. Not that I ever would buy a Ford, but if they tried something like this I would be all about working around this limit, and I am pretty damn good at it. Funny how big business can take whatever measures it likes to protect their profit.

In a lot of areas of the tech world there are no work around, I know this all to well with some of the stuff I do.

 

[Stuckinthe80s]

I'll just echo what some have already said...

This is the beauty of a free market as the market itself will eventually "dictate" what happens. Ford, John Deere, etc. aren't the only companies making what they do and this wouldn't be the first time a large corporation "forced" something on consumers. The company has the right to sell things with T's & C's just like the person going into that agreement has the right to not do business with said company.

Having said all that, I think it is extremely hypocritical for Ford to try to push this on a buyer when dealerships are allowed to do it. It's my understanding that a dealership is really nothing more than a bulk buyer itself where they buy the vehicles from the manufacturer as well. The markups that have been happening on the Broncos are completely absurd but again, if someone is willing to pay 30 - 40% over MSRP for something, then that's on them. I wouldn't pay that much for something that will depreciate, nor would I sign a contract agreeing to restrictions on what I can do with something after I pay money for it, but who am I to say a company can't act that way?

 

[DaveInDenver]

This "free market" thing, where a seller offers something to a willing buyer voluntarily, sounds interesting. We should try that some day.

 

[Stuckinthe80s]

This "free market" thing, where a seller offers something to a willing buyer voluntarily, sounds interesting. We should try that some day.

Speaking in theoretical terms, obviously.

 

[Romer]

Senate introduces bill to allow farmers to fix their own equipment

The legislation is part of the broader "right to repair" movement opposing repair restrictions.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[DouglasVB]

Senate introduces bill to allow farmers to fix their own equipment

The legislation is part of the broader "right to repair" movement opposing repair restrictions.

www.nbcnews.com

Awesome!

Now do that for everything we own.