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RS MAY CLUB MEETING
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Chinamans is no longer Chinamans.
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nuclearlemon
Hard Core 4+
that's crap. it will always be chinaman to me. 
you, and most everyone else.that's crap. it will always be chinaman to me.
It’s like the Pepsi Center / Ball Arena name change.
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MtnAddict
Rising Sun Member
Our tax dollars put to good use…
AlpineAccess
Hard Core 4+
fyffer
Rising Sun Member
Chinamans has also changed significantly from March 2020 to Jul 2022, a lot. The W tail and V notch are almost the easy part of the trail, IMO. (my 5th run)
But was also driving back half of it in Rain, did not help any.
But was also driving back half of it in Rain, did not help any.
DanInDenver
Trail Ready
Is it such a tragedy that a derisive name is being dropped? Is this a hill you really want or want to be associated with?
When use of the outdoors is under attack is it wise to question use of dollars that seek to change names that are offensive?
When use of the outdoors is under attack is it wise to question use of dollars that seek to change names that are offensive?
gr8fulabe
Rising Sun Member
The president of the club shouldn’t be actively promoting the use of outdated & racist names. Times change, we should change with them, and always focus on trying to be more inclusive as a club, rather than less.
Hear, hear. Respect.
krice118
Trail Ready
Is the term chinaman offensive?
ScaldedDog
Hard Core 4+
What a joke. As long as I wheel it, it'll be Chinaman just like it's been for 20+ years for me.
I gotta get out of here...
Mark
I gotta get out of here...
Mark
JadeRunner
Rising Sun Member
Time for a Chinaman run soon.
Cruisertrash
Rising Sun Member
This.
Also, the name change hurts exactly zero people - including those commenting on this post. Who cares what it’s called … go run the trail if you like it!
Doughboy
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Fixed it
*sits back and waits for someone to call "Yansing" cultural appropriation*
It's not offensive to call someone an Englisman or a Frenchman. But if Asians prefer to be called something other than Chinaman, I don't have a problem with that either. Language changes. Some people go kicking and screaming, others shrug their shoulders and move on.
Want to see an old geographic name that is way more clear cut in its heinousness? Here's one from the Moab area:
gizmodo.com
Want to see an old geographic name that is way more clear cut in its heinousness? Here's one from the Moab area:
Renamed 'Negro Bill' Canyon Spotlights U.S. Legacy of Fucked Up Geographic Names
When it comes to race, the United States is still a long way from figuring it all out—and, apparently, that includes names for famous geographic landmarks.
gizmodo.com
rushthezeppelin
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Was a single Chinese person actually offended by this? Most are laughing that us Westerners are constantly chasing our tail trying to make everything PC which is a never-ending quest (someone will always be offended at least on behalf of someone else) and only results in the degradation of language itself and the erasure of history both good and bad. Same thing is happening in the climbing world so I'm not surprised sadly to see it here either.
I can say this: I'm a "chinaman", my last name is chin. I've heard the "more Chins than a Chinese phone book" and "not by the hairs of my chinny chin chin" etc my whole life...people even call me by "chin" because there are a million Jons. I in no way have a problem with the trail name or the term "the Chinese virus"...all these round eyes acting on our behalf need to find another hobby.
...All PC culture does is eradicate minority representation on the behalf of "social justice". It has the opposite effect of its intent. Changing the Washington Redskins to Commanders is the equivalent of manifest destiny (remove native Americans replace with colonials). A Native American woman on butter/aunt jemima no longer on syrup?! My great grandma(non Chinese/paternal grandma's side, black and Native American) was part of the trail of tears. Taking the non white faces off of anything let's people forget they exist and is like burning books
White Stripe
Hard Core 4+
From what I understand the initial complaint of the name Chinamans gulch was from some lady from California. I dont know if she had even been to the area. Maybe she just looks at map names in order to find issues she has with names.